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For those who have lost a puppy-if there are any veterinarians out there, please read

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by rocketteen, Jul 19, 2006.

  1. rocketteen

    rocketteen Member

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    At about 12pm, our dog (my gf and I) Buddy passed away. He was 14 weeks old and the scenario of his death is just super strange. He was normal and playful Friday and Saturday. Friday night we were watching a movie and my gf noticed some wiggling on her. It turned out it was a tapeworm larvae that came out of Buddy's rear. We freaked and did some research and found out the medicine for a tapeworm is inexpensive and works pretty well. So, we go to bed and she takes him to the vet saturday morning.

    Saturday morning, they come back and the medicine that was given was Drontal. We had these 3 chewable tablets in the shape of a bone. The vet said to take one and a half of these pills and in 3 weeks, take the other 1 and a half. Buddy was 7.7 lbs, so toxicity shouldn't have been a concern. So we did it and everything was normal with his behavior that day. Throughout the day, he had to urinate a lot, I would estimate about 12-15 times. Well, they said some side effects of the Drontal were possible vomiting and diarrhea. So, we figured that peeing is not a problem, since the medicine is probably just flushing everything out. Saturday ends and here comes Sunday.

    Sunday is when the vomiting started. Anything he was eating, he was throwing up. Like I mentioned, vomiting was a possible side affect of drontal, so we're thinking no big deal. We would lower his amount of foods and several mins later, he'd throw it up. He was still acting normal as far as behavior, just couldn't keep food down.

    Monday, I go to grad school and she takes him to the vet. They say it might be a sensitive stomach, b/c the drontal shouldn't be doing this stuff. So, she gets some sensitive stomach food, some Amoxi tabs and some Metaclopromide. These things were supposed to help w/ the upset stomach and to keep the food down. Well, that didn't work and he continued to vomit. Some food went through digestion b/c he would poop still and he was peeing as well. He was a little sluggish and lethargic, but that is common in anything and everyone who spent 2 days vomiting.

    Tuesday I wake up to Buddy gagging. He was still throwing up. Once he calmed down, I took him outside and he peed and pooped. That was the last urination he would do for over 12 hours. My gf took him to the vet after I left for school and I was in contact w/ her throughout the day to check on his progress. He was left there and they hooked him up to an IV to pump some fluids and glucose in him. He also had a catheter put in which he wasn't making any urine the time he was there. He was also jaundice throughtout his body. Lab work said his BUN and creatine were way up and that we were to take him to a specialist to be ultrasounded.

    We took him and the results showed that he had a stomach lining that was a 1cm thick, when normally it's about paper thin. The radiologist said he had never seen one so thick and it is especially puzzling in a puppy. His kideys were also bright which he thought was showing inflammation in there which would explain the lack of urine production. Well, we take him back to the vet w/ the news and they hook Buddy back up to the IV and catheter and that we are to take him to an overnight animal hospital to be monitered.

    Upon arrival, he is weighed and then proceeds to pee on the scale. I felt like doing jumping jacks b/c that was big news. They suck up the urine w/ a syringe and take his vitals. They admit him and tell us to call anytime. HIs medicine that night was for more fluids, a dopamine drip, lasix hourly, mannitol, pepcid (for the irritated and swollen stomach), ampicllin for a possible Leptospirosis infection, and Chlorpromazine. They had to be very agressive about getting his kidneys to work or else there was no hope. We leave and are exhausted as all get out. I had a horrible night sleeping and was dreaming/thinking about that scenario the entire night and even woke up in a cold sweat. We called the overnight hospital at 10:30pm and 5:45 am to check on his progress. He was producing urine, but they didn't know if it was the right kind of urine - the kind that also had the waste that needs to be excreted.

    We pick him up at 7am Wednesday morning and take him back to his vet. They hooked him back up to an IV and we were gonna wait until they drew more blood to check his BUN and creatinine levels. When the results came back, they were lower than b/f, but still too high. They were going to test his urine to see if it was the good kind of urine. If not, there was no hope of getting him well and we would have to put him down.

    While we were waiting for the call, I just got a feeling that I wanted to see him. My gf's mother was w/ us and she wanted to see him as well. As we were getting into the car, the vet called and said that Buddy had a heart attack and died. So we rush over there and say our goodbyes.

    It was a very weird situation b/c 3 doctors didn't know what happened. We live on a 3rd floor apt and so he never gets out of our sight. He did have a tendency to eat grass and dirt sometimes, which is where the leptospirosis may have come in. He never ate poop and never ate garbage and never came into contact w/ any kind of chemicals except frontline flea medicine - he didn't have any fleas, but b/c he likely got the tapeworm from ingesting a flea we didn't want to risk it again (frontline was put on him Saturday).

    The company who makes Drontal asked for our permission to perform an autopsy to see what happened. Of course we agreed. Hopefully something can be learned from what just happened. His leptospirosis test is supposed to come back tomorrow(Thursday) and we'll find out if he was positive or not for that. If he is negative, we have a super mystery on our hands with 2 broken hearts.

    Thanks for reading this long.
     
  2. FROSTEEiCE

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    sorry about your loss. we had a sick puppy with parvo, but she was able to pull through. so i kinda know what you went through. you must be rich because that vet hospital stuff is crazy expensive.
     
  3. gucci888

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    Sorry to hear that rocketeen, hopefully the company can tell you what happened.

    If you don't mind me asking, what kind of dog was it and where did you get him?
     
  4. rocketteen

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    We live in Round Rock and we got him from breeder in Corsicana. He was a boston terrier. I am a fan of that breed if more of them are like Buddy; he was great.
     
  5. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    The breeders name wasn't Carla was it?
     
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    I don't even have a dog but for some reason I was riveted by your story. No kidding.
     
  7. rocketteen

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    No, breeders name was Michelle.
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    We bought a puppy and picked it up in the same general area last year and it died after a few days (probably around the same age). Turns out it had Parvo.
     
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    i'm so sorry for your loss.

    Drontal should pay (if they are too blame).
     
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    My sympathies to you and your gf, just reading your story makes me tear up...

    I know nothing will make it better, but I hope you will be able to love another puppy in the future.
     
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    very sad. Perhaps he had parvo? Or maybe just a bad reaction to the medication for the tapeworm? I hate it when something innocent dies. :(
     
  12. gucci888

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    You might think about contacting the breeder and seeing if any other puppies have gotten sick.
     
  13. rocketteen

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    I already had that planned. When we first got him, I gave her updates on his progress. I will write her again, but I'm just waiting to find out what caused his death first.

    Thanks everyone for the support. I have a science background and took an anatomy class where we had to disect ago dog. I don't know near enough to offer suggestions to the vet, but my mind is driving itself crazy still trying to solve this mystery. Hopefully the test results will help add some closure to this situation.
     
  14. RunninRaven

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    What is parvo?
     
  15. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    With the exception of the tapeworm, every thing your puppy did and everything the vets did (I don't remember all the medicines in our case) sounds exactly the same as what they did for our puppy. I assume they tested for Parvo because the vets taking care of the puppy almost immediately thought of that.
     
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    i have no idea but every six months or so that i go to the vet, they're always injecting parvo meds.

    my lab got heartworms when he was about 1 year old and that damn surgery cost me over $500. i should of just kicked the worms out of him. would have been much cheaper.




    i keed. i keed.
     
  17. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    It is a virus that is very deadly to dogs. It generally strikes puppies before they have a chance to develop their immune system. At some point I think they stop getting vaccinated for it because they become immune, but I could be wrong.

    If a dog has parvo, it is recommended that you not even get another dog for 6 months due to the viruses "staying power".
     
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    I sent your post to my wife who, while not a vet, worked for several years as a technician in a vet clinic, so she's pretty darn knowledgable. What follows is her response to your story. Bear in mind: it's free advice, so you get what you pay for:

    "Yes, I have heard of sudden inexplicable illness that resulted in death - unfortunately it happens all the time in the veterinary world.

    The instinctive thing is to assume it was related to the tapeworm medicine, but that's very unlikely. I suspect the Drontal didn't have anything to do with it and I'm sure the Drontal (Bayer Co.) people are just covering their asses by ordering a necropsy (or the vet really wanted to do a necropsy and just told the owner that Bayer ordered it).

    What is more likely is that, during one of the puppy's eating grass episodes, he ingested urine from an animal infected with lepto, or he ingested a toxin of some sort. The fact that he became ill so suddenly would suggest a toxin, but I wouldn't be surprised if the lepto test comes back positive either. His symptoms are indicative of both. And lepto is a killer. In the few years I worked at the clinic, we treated a dozen or so lepto cases - only 1 of which survived. Lepto is particularly common in hot, wet climates (like Houston).

    And unfortunately, baby animals are almost worse than baby humans when it comes to getting into things they shouldn't. I don't know how many times a pet owner swore on their lives that their dog/cat never left their sight, but somehow managed to come down with some mystery illness or toxin reaction. Animals are Houdinis and capable of doing almost anything in the blink of an eye. And even if the guy was watching his dog closely every time they went outside - there's no way to know what was on the grass the puppy was eating. Especially if they guy lives in an apartment - if he lived in a house - he might be able to better control what's on the grass, but in an apartment complex - anything goes. People will pour out antifreeze on the grass, or insecticide, or household cleaners after they wash their cars - any number of things that can cause sudden multiple organ failure in an animal.

    The fact that the puppy's stomach lining was thickened also makes me suspicious of some kind of congenital defect (or cancer) that resulted in multiple organ failure and death. When a young animal dies so suddenly, birth defects have to also be at the top of the suspect list. Like I always say: animals are not hypochondriacs - they can walk around like everything's completely fine for months or years while their organs systematically shut down, and the animal won't show any sign of a problem until they're on death's door. That's the heartbreaking thing about loving animals - they won't tell you they're sick until it's too late.

    One thing disturbs me more than the illness and death of the puppy - is the sequence of events. If the owners reported the excessive peeing to the vet, the vet should have done a urinalysis immeditately which probably would have revealed a high protein level because the dog was almost certainly in acute renal failure by that point. Peeing 12-15 times in one day is VERY abnormal in a puppy and should have caught the vet's attention right away. Not that it would have necessarily saved the puppy's life, but sometimes one day can make a big difference in treatment protocol. By the time Tuesday rolled around, the puppy was dying - the owner says the vet had to put glucose in his IV bag - that's bad - that's a crashing puppy. And I bet he was jaundice on Monday, but the vet just didn't catch it - but they might have if they had done a urinalysis that day. So either the owner wasn't communicative about his dog's symptoms (not likely considering his thorough post), or the vet wasn't paying attention. I might think about switching vets if I was that guy."
     

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