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For those of you who don't understand Tracy's value

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jVgOwnsYou, Feb 20, 2008.

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  1. jVgOwnsYou

    jVgOwnsYou Member

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    Tracy has not been playing his best ball, but if you don't acknowledge what Tracy brings to this team, then you simply don't understand basketball. Please read the following and think again before you post "Trade Mcgrady for Mike Miller" threads.

    Tracy is our best player with the ball in his hands.
    He makes the right decision about 9 times out of ten. Even when he shoots his jumper, it's usually a good shot because we have rebounders underneath the basket. His passing skills are ridiculous and he sees things before they happen usually leading his team mates to the right spots for them to get open looks.

    Tracy is probably our most underrated defender. He doesn't go all out all of the time, but his length and his quickness are tough for any offensive player to deal with. His leaping ability and his long arms also gets him alot of tough rebounds.

    Tracy is by far our most clutch player....About 3 or 4 of our wins during this streak would not have happened if Tracy did not play unbelievable 4th quarters.

    Tracy is probably the only player on our team that can create his own shot when teams double Yao.

    And finally and probably most importantly, Tracy feeds Yao better than anyone else on the team and it's not even close.



    There are tons of things Tmac needs to improve upon. Getting to the line and making Fts is probably number one on that list, but the guy has been one of the main reasons for our run. Does it not mean anything to you people that since he returned from injury we're like 13-1?
     
    #1 jVgOwnsYou, Feb 20, 2008
  2. DaDakota

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    I agree, and he is learning to take a lesser role and play off the ball.

    DD
     
    #2 DaDakota, Feb 20, 2008
  3. Chuck 4

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    I really like what he is doing right now. At the bar last night, a guy was pissing and moaning about "Why has he only averaged like 14 points since he came back from his injury?"

    Dude, we've won like what, 13 of the 14 games since he has been back? Who cares how many he scores?
     
    #3 Chuck 4, Feb 20, 2008
  4. Yaozer

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    Whew.. I was about to trade him for a bag of chips.. :p

    Seriously tho, good points. I wish that Tracy won't have to work as much with such team involvement until the playoffs come around. Hopefully teams then will underrate him and think he's way passed his prime. He'll be our little secret.
     
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  5. Seth

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    For Value i think you are referring ONLY to this team, because i don´t see other teams paying 20 millions for players with his stats and that play around 20 less games per season than the average player.

    That being said, i think different in some ways.

    I think Rafer is the best at feeding Yao, by far, just look when Rafer had DNP.

    I think Scola can create his own shot, he has done this many times, and of plays that i thought that were lost.

    I don´t see him as an underrated defender, i see him as an average defender, with the sole difference that he either chooses to or not to defend at times.

    In other ways i see tmac being a better all around player, but he still has many things to improve, considering his salary, and i think there is no need to say he is better than he is right now, a great all around player in a shooting slump.

    I don´t see him being Steve Nash with Bowen´s defense as you suggest.
     
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  6. LegendZ3

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    I love T-Mac, but this is simply not true. He pull up from 3 point line all the time when we got no rebounder underneath, especially during the 4th. That's one thing that frustrate me the most. One heat check per quarter is ok. But jacking up contested 3 in crucial time is not cool.

    I agree with everything else you said.
     
    #6 LegendZ3, Feb 20, 2008
  7. Layupdrill

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  8. mlwoo

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    Jesus Christ. Stop.
     
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  9. EssTooKayTD

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    I think McGrady has been smarter with his shot selection, but I think it's also b/c he realizes he's in a funk and doesn't want to shoot (and miss) the team to a loss.

    My biggest concern for him right now is his inability to finish at the rim lately. Of course, I'd like for him to shoot better from the perimeter as well. Besides that, I think he's playing very good basketball. I would just feel better if I knew he could go off for 30+ if his team needed him to.
     
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  10. levintblack

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    Teams may not concentrate on him as much but TMac will never be a secret in this league again.
     
    #10 levintblack, Feb 20, 2008
  11. Yaozer

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    He's my secret, you just don't know yet :cool:
     
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  12. jVgOwnsYou

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    First of all, here are the players with salaries higher than Tmac's this year: Garnett, Finley, Shaq, Marbury, Iverson, Kidd, Jermaine Oneal, Webber, Bryant, Duncan,....Of those players with salaries HIGHER than Tracy's I would probably only choose 3 of them over Tmac.

    Rafer is not better than Tracy at feeding Yao. Tracy finds Yao more than Rafer on pick and rolls alone. Not to mention all the times he finds him in the post.

    You're right, Scola can create his own shot. But let's be honest....Almost half of his offense comes from feeds from Mcgrady and double teams on Yao. The one time Scola had to create his own offense last night he traveled.

    Tracy is not an average defender. An average defender can't block shots, get steals, and grab defensive boards like Tracy. He is inconsistant on defense, but he certainly is not average.

    I think Mcgrady spoiled us. Last season he was unreal especially when yao was out. There was a stretch of games where anything less than 30 points and 10 assists wasn't enough to get it done. He doesn't have to do that anymore.
     
    #12 jVgOwnsYou, Feb 20, 2008
  13. TheBornLoser

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    At this stage, Tracy is one of the Rocket's greatest wild cards.

    If a healthy, motivated and aggressive Tracy turns up at the end of the season and at the playoffs and Tracy plays within the system and the rest of the team continues to perform like they did today and recently, then woe will betide the rest of the teams, for the Rockets will be THE team to watch out for all the way.
     
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  14. TheBornLoser

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    Whoops Yaozers, didn't fully read your post :D I will, in the spirit of the attribution, credit my idea to you, less someone accusess me of plagiarism :D
     
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    That part makes me SMH. So it's a good shot as long as we have rebounders underneath the basket? Except for fast break opportunities, all shots in a half court set should have rebounders underneath the basket. Does that make them all good shots? Then why complain about Rafer or anybody's shots?

    That's an understatement. I would say he rarely goes all out.
     
    #15 duluth111222, Feb 20, 2008
  16. t_mac1

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    didn't he score 33 and 26 pts before this 5 game shooting slump?

    relax, he'll be fine. u can see adelman is purposely leaving tracy in there for 38+ mins to get his rhythm/stamina/conditioning back. he doesn't rest AT ALL in the 2nd halves of game where the game is close.

    adelman knows tmac has to stay on the floor for this team to do well.
     
    #16 t_mac1, Feb 20, 2008
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    TMac is now hitting a veteran wall :D
     
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  18. jVgOwnsYou

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    You can't go to the basket every freaking play especially when you're being guarded by the other teams top defender. Tmac takes jumpers when he feels like his defender his playing his drive. He doesn't need alot of space to get it off because he just elevates over defenders.

    Tmac's shot has been off, but you have to understand that Tmacs jumper is a weapon and not just a bad shot. Sometimes when the offense is stagnant it's the best play. I'll take Tracy's mid range J over a rafer floater, a bonzi jumper, or a yao turnover any day
     
    #18 jVgOwnsYou, Feb 20, 2008
  19. Layupdrill

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  20. Seth

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    That´s a lot of IFs dude, and some are pretty improbable, i´ll say one of the first 3 ifs won´t happen. (probably aggressive)
     
    #20 Seth, Feb 20, 2008
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