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For Center, TOs are normal

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by qpx, Nov 17, 2003.

  1. qpx

    qpx Member

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    Just look at Shaq.

    Why?

    Since you're doubled or tripled, it's easy for you to lose the ball.

    I don't mean that Yao should have more TOs, but please don't blame him too much with the TOs.

    You comments are welcome.
     
  2. WNBA

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    Some of yao's TOs and "bounced out rebounds" come from his weak hands and short of basketball awareness. He is not giving out his 100%. I hate to watch a player with attitude problem. He should be blamed. But I think he can do better on this issue.
     
  3. A-Train

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    7 turnovers isn't normal for anybody...
     
  4. PumperX

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    Steve should know better.
     
  5. gucci888

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    I posted this in another thread. I think Yao is taking a little too much time when he gets the ball in the post. If the other team doesn't double team right away or if Yao doesn't pass, he takes a good 5-6 seconds before he makes his move. He allows too much time for the defense to set up, a quick move makes the defense react a lot quicker, when he takes his time, the defender can usually poke the ball out. If you watch SAC play, no one has the ball for more than a couple seconds or more than 3-4 dribbles, this is chaos for defenders, they are always scrambling around the court. Of course this isn't all Yao's fault.
     
  6. London'sBurning

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    Yeah Yao doesn't react quick enough after he's received the ball. He takes so damn long once the ball is in the post that a defender has more time to push him a couple of extra feet out, and is in perfect position to push him away from the basket so that he settles with lousy fadeaway jumpers. Once he gets the ball, I'd like him to be agressive and not let his defender get settled under him and either make a play towards the basket or keep the ball moving so the defense is scattered all over the place. There's no reason for Yao to ISO himself for a few seconds to let a defender and more importantly the entire defense settle around him and his teammates. The same should be said for anyone that holds the ball for too long. Get in the play, move the ball around efficiently and don't get yourself in an ISO or dribbling confrontation.
     
  7. wakkoman

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    well i think the reason yao waits a while to make his move is because he surveys the court. he generally already knows where his team is because of his great court vision. THen he takes a couple seconds to read the defense and if he sees a double team coming and someone becomes open for a good shot, he goes for the pass. If he doesnt see a passing oportunity, he has a green light to work his defender and get a shot off.


    right now yaos mind places passing the ball to someone whos open for a shot rather than just grab the ball and work his post moves
     
  8. daoshi

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    This thread should be locked. There is no such thing called 'normal' in basketball when you cannot pretect the ball.:mad:


    --daoshi
     
  9. KeepKenny

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    There is a downside to making quick moves as soon as he receives it. If he just recklessly made a move without knowing where the defenders are, that could lead to even more turnovers. As wakko said, he takes his time to survey the court. He should probably try to have a mix of quick hard moves and slow deliberate ones. That would keep the defense off balance.
     
  10. tie22fighter

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    No, it is not good. Especially considering that he doesn't get the ball as much as most posters hoped.

    Definitely a concern.
     
  11. gucci888

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    I agree that he waits to survey the court, but he allows the defense to get too comfortable. A quick(er) move would make the defense react faster and more out of sinc.
     
  12. Nova

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    I agree that Yao takes too long in the post. He has to know when to take it hard to the hoop and when it's a good time to survey the action. But the Rox really need to try to re-post Yao occasionally (I'm not sure but do they do this?). Once Yao gets doubled and he passes it out and if the defender leaves him, try to throw it back into the post and get him to make his move, quickly without having him survey the court. And no, centers are not SUPPOSED to make to's, usually it's the players who handle the ball the most and are expected to either score or create for others who get the to's. That's why star pg's usually have high to's because they are trying to create (or in many cases score and create). However even if a player isn't a pg if they get the majority of the touches they'll probly have more to's than others. In Yao's case 7 to's is inexcusable in most cases (for anybody actually, 7 to's is horrible). He doesn't take most of the shots or touch the ball so much that 7 to's are ok. Sure to's are going to happen and everyone is going to get them, but when you get 7.. well, no excuses can really be made for that, especially not the excuse that his position warrants high numbers of to's.
     

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