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Fire Flip for Detroit flop [YAHOO]

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  1. Val

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    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...Q5nYcB?slug=dw-flip053006&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


    Fire Flip for Detroit flop

    By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
    May 30, 2006




    AUBURN HILLS, Mich. – Flip? He's flopped.

    And unless Flip Saunders immediately regains control of the spiraling Detroit Pistons, he should be fired just one season into taking over what seemed to be the ultimate coaching job – in charge of the most selfless, self-motivated team in basketball.

    The failures of Detroit, which trails the Miami Heat in the Eastern Conference finals 3-1 heading into Wednesday's Game 5, aren't all Saunders' fault, but he will be the fall guy. He has to be.

    The most coachable team in the league doesn't turn into the Portland Trail Blazers for no reason.

    The Pistons aren't as good as they were the last two years, when they twice reached the Finals and won the title once. They aren't as tenacious defensively. They aren't as strong-willed. They aren't as cohesive, consistent or coordinated. They are barely improved offensively from the Larry Brown days, and that was the one thing Saunders was supposed to change.

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    During the regular season, he did. Detroit was an up-tempo team that maintained most of its defensive stinginess, streaking to the best record in the NBA.

    But Saunders appears to have lost his team during the playoffs as times invariably got tough.

    Because of the Pistons' history of playing their best when they're down and almost out – their own motto is "if it ain't rough, it ain't right" – there is still a belief that things can be turned around.

    But this isn't the old Detroit team. And Miami – with a healthy Dwyane Wade, Shaquille O'Neal and a strong supporting cast – is not Cleveland or Orlando or New Jersey. The Heat look like a championship club.

    The Pistons, meanwhile, have lost of six of their last nine games and look like a fractured team that has given up on its coach.

    Rasheed Wallace, who was the definition of a team guy under Brown, has been pouting, even refusing to slap Saunders' hand coming out of games and even steering clear of a timeout huddle in Game 3. Players, including usually soft-spoken Tayshaun Prince, have publicly questioned substitution patterns.

    Earlier this year, Ben Wallace, the heart and soul of the team, refused to enter a game when Saunders called on him, and lately he has been critical of practice emphasis (too much offense). Bench rotations, other than Antonio McDyess, have fluctuated wildly, confusing the reserves.

    Privately, throughout the locker room, the players will tell you they dislike Saunders' emphasis of zone defense, which goes against their preferred manly version of man-to-man. There is a distinct lack of respect.

    "As a coach I make decisions," Saunders said Monday. "I have to live by the decisions. As players, they play, and they have to implement as far as what we do. I don't agree with what Ben says on practice from a defensive standpoint talking to people who have been here and what we've done. We all know how Ben gets at times."

    "They can suggest [changes]," Saunders continued. "That doesn't mean I'll do it."

    Anytime the talk in the middle of a playoff series is about a possible feud between key players and the coach, said team's goose is all but cooked.

    "We can't worry about what's going on in that situation," Prince said Monday. "But people have [seen] the toughness on the defensive end that we bring all the time hasn't been there lately. But I haven't had any problem with Flip, and I don't think any of the other players have had any problems with Flip."

    Nice sentiments, but there is no way they are true. Some players certainly have a problem with Flip.

    Saunders' greatest failure is losing Ben Wallace's confidence. Wallace's marginalization in Detroit's offense has affected his entire game.

    I've written this before, but as strange as it sounds, the secret to getting the Defensive Player of the Year to play his best is to include him, at least a little, offensively. But Saunders has failed to do that, almost embarrassing Wallace on the offensive end by ignoring him.

    During the 2004 NBA championship run, Wallace averaged 8.9 shots a game, at least four or five of which came out of Brown's set plays. Big Ben averaged 10.3 points, 14.3 rebounds, 2.4 blocks and 1.9 steals while putting out a hellacious, and contagious, effort.

    This postseason, Wallace is averaging a meager 3.9 shots a game and his numbers have dropped across the board – just 4.3 points, 10.9 rebounds, 1.2 blocks and 1.4 steals.

    He isn't playing the way he did a year ago as the motor of the team, and his decreased performance has had a compounded impact. In their three victories, the Heat are shooting a blistering 56.6 percent from the floor. That used to be impossible against the Pistons.

    While it is Wallace's job to go all out all the time, it is also a coach's job to foster an environment that makes it happen.

    Larry Brown knew it, and that is why – despite his constant sideshow of drama – he never lost his locker room.

    Saunders was handed a dream job last year, with a roster that was in place to compete for multiple championships. But, to do so, the players had to want to compete for their coach. They don't seem to now. It is one thing to lose; it is another to lose like this in a very un-Detroit way.

    Only one thing changed from then and now: the coach. Barring another miraculous Pistons flip-the-switch-comeback, the coach is going to have to change again.


    Dan Wetzel is Yahoo! Sports' national columnist. Dan is the author of two new books.

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    Send Dan a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.

    Updated on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:16 pm EDT
     
  2. Luckyazn

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    The should hire STAN VAN GUNDY to take down the HEAT next yr :D
     
  3. durvasa

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    Why is the coach always the scapegoat when a team underperforms in the playoffs?

    And firing a coach who wins 64 games in the regular season and reaches the conference finals is just stupid.
     
  4. compucomp

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    Except when the team he inherited went to the NBA finals two years in a row, winning one and very nearly winning the other. It looks stupid until you think about the context. The players are the same as in those years, the pistons made no real offseason moves.
     
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    The Pistons may be the same team from last year but the Heat aren't. The Heat made many off season moves and their roster looks very different opposed to last years not to mention they have a healthy Wade this year. Flip i''ll admit has looked like a deer in headlights at times in this years playoffs but to put all the blame on him is unfair. Give credit where credit is due. The Heat are playing great ball right now.
     
  6. Gutter Snipe

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    It's not just this one series. The Pistons, if you remember, almost lost to a very mediocre Cavs team. They only looked good in two games in that series. Flip Saunders has a history of poor performance in the playoffs. I don't know if it's because he loses his teams, or he makes poor adjustments, or he loses his teams because of poor adjustments, but in this case I think it's the latter.

    The Pistons' players may well be missing Larry Brown right about now.
     
  7. JayZ750

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    I think it's the curse of Darko...don't expect the Pistons to win it all again for another century, or more!
     
  8. TheFreak

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    They almost lost to the Nets last year too. He has a history of poor performance in the playoffs b/c he's had poor teams/seedings.
     
  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I'm gonna guess wade wouldn't be shooting 69.5% on a larry brown coached defense
     
  10. thacabbage

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    Boo hoo. The supposed Defensive Player of the Year needs touches to get motivated on defense? What a joke. NEWSFLASH: Perhaps the "2nd best center in the league" just isn't that good anymore.
     
  11. emjohn

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    Something's been wrong with the Pistons since late March or so, and especially in the playoffs. Their offense has taken a shocking nosedive (Flip's strength) and it wouldn't make sense that the no-defense Cavaliers shut them down. The Heat got torched by the Bulls' and Nets' backcourt repeatedly, yet Billups and Rip aren't tearing them apart? 82 PPG in the last 9 games, only once breaking out of the 80s? The last time they so much as reached their regular season scoring average was May 9th against the Cavs. Everyone looks about the same except for Ben (seems to be a little spaced out to me). They just aren't putting points up. No hint of in-fighting or feuding, but something stinks to high heaven. Maybe they quit on Flip. Maybe Darko was their heart and soul :) Who knows, but they're 48 minutes from getting KOed.

    Evan
     
  12. Val

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    HAHAHAH! Good one!
     
  13. durvasa

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    The Pistons had some good fortune to get to the Finals the last two years -- Indiana and Miami both suffered serious injury problems. This year, the tables are turned. Miami is in good health, while Sheed has the ankle problems. Shouldn't that also be part of the context?
     
  14. T-2

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    Exactly. Injuries are so important. Miami probably deserved to win last year. Then we aren't having this conversation.
     
  15. A_3PO

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    Thank you for mentioning JO's injury two years ago that cost the Pacers a trip to the Finals. I've already commented on Wade last year. We should also keep in mind two years ago the Mailman was injured and practically worthless in the Finals for the Lakers.
     
  16. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    when the players get beat, they blame the coach. when the players blame the coach everyone else does.

    definitely not fair.

    flip isn't the defensive coach that LB is, but that doesn't mean that the pistons forgot how to play defense after only one season.
     
  17. I am a Donut

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    Exactly how I feel. Why are these guys, who think they are so good, crying that they can't play defense becasuse their coach is not good enough. They are going to lose becasue their attitudes are bad... then blame it on coach.

    I hope the Suns win this thing.
     
  18. thetennisyao

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    agree!
     
  19. JunkyardDwg

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    If the team played this way through the whole season, then maybe a case can be made solely against Flip. But the Pistons had a pretty dominating regular season and were primed for another Finals berth. I think the players simply thought they could sleepwalk their way to the NBA Finals. Well obviously they thought wrong.
     
  20. steddinotayto

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    It's funny that during their 64 win season, they seem to claim that they've been winning so much is because of their :

    1. great starting 5
    2. offense has been let free by Flip
    3. they don't have anyone telling them what to do and how to play

    and yet, when they're on the brink of elimination, they blame Flip. I'm sorry but if you had tried to convince us that the coach wasn't part of the reason why you're successful in a 64 win season he sure as hell isn't the MAIN reason why you're not putting Miami away.
     

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