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Final Fantasy Advent Children Complete/FF13 Demo Release

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It seems like people already have their hands on the demo (or the movie depending on your preference). So far, there hasn't been much except a few screens and confirmation of a Winter 2009 release in Japan for FF13. That said, some guy at justintv will apparently play the game in a little over an hour (9:45PM central). Here's that link:
http://www.justin.tv/esegk
(wait, scratch that...he kind of started already? I don't know what is going on)

There has been some new info in the last few weeks from magazine previews (mostly Famitsu). I sort of lost track of the information, but here are some of the things I could find:

Long interviews with Dengeki:

The Characters that Paint the Story
---Being the first SE title for the PS3, there's no doubt that the demo arriving later this month is garnering world wide attention. With the upcoming demo, what are your thoughts, currently?
Kitase: The demo master was finished around december last year. Thus, this demo should be played with the understanding that it is "FFXIII" as it was in 2008. Playing the demo will probably get gamers to thinking "I wonder if this is how the story is going to unfold in the full version?" and hopefully will increase the anticipation they currently have for the game even further. On that note, the final version is progressing very nicely. We're on the final stretch of development for various aspects.

---With the announcement of the demo, a lot of character information has been announced. First off, Lighting. She's the first female protagonist of this series right?
Kitase: If you look only at Lightning's design, she comes off as a cool woman; essentially the type of woman that a lot of men would have a problem handling. But with Sakamoto Maaya voicing her role, I believe a lot of nice femininity has been brought out of Lighting. Because Lightning is a swordsman, it was difficult balancing her modeling. We didn't want her to be too frail looking, but at the same time, we didn't want to make her a muscular macho either.

---So in the demo, you can also control Snow, but anything to say about his design?
Kitase: His character was pretty difficult as well. We originally wanted to make him a athletic nut that yells all the time with the personality of a delinquent ring leader. From there, we left behind the immature belligerent aspect, and worked on evolving the "big brother" aspect of him. Ono Daisuke's voice is perfect for Snow as well.

---What about Sazh, who's garnering quite a bit of attention from all over?
Kitase: We had a pretty easy image of him from the begining (lol). Just that, in general, he appears to be positive and upbeat, but as the story progresses, we come to realize that he's carrying some weight of his own on his shoulders. Because of that, we decided to ask a veteran voice actor, Ehara Masashi, to play his role. He did a lot of ad libbing, and seems like he really got into the role.

---Finally Vanille. She appears to have a story telling role as well?
Kitase: This title's story progresses with Vanilla's narration being sandwiched in between. In the past, we've had girls who've been upbeat and active like her, but due to the fact that she has a narrative role as well, she should have an aura slightly different from similar characters from the past. Because of this, we asked someone capable of acting both sides of her character, Fukui Yukari, to voice her role.

The Demo's new Battle
---I had the opportunity to play the demo and what I found quite impressive was the change into the battle scene being so quick that it almost felt seamless.
Kitase: The game isn't seamless, but I think it's quick enough for everyone to be content with it. Seamless battles are definitely possible, but, for example, due to special attacks and polygon counts for summons due to memory, there are various limitations that are bourne from trying to go seamless. But by having the battles be independant, it is possible to be, more or less, released from those memory limitations.

---The battle is based on the Active Time Battle (ATB), but it creates a sense of speed moreso than before.
Kitase: The battle system being speedy was initially proposed by the director, Toriyama, and Tsuchida was put in charge of dropping in FFX's battle system into the game. Combining command input resulting in flashy action and using the ATB Bar as the cost to do so and wrapping that up into one system that adds the fun of strategery (yes I know it's not a real word) is something we were aiming for from the beginning of development.

---So then, it's not really so much that you can do this because of the PS3, but rather you wanted the battle system to accomplish this so you were able to achieve this?
Kitase: Yes. The first image we had of "inputting a command resulting in a gracefully flowing set of chained attacks" has essentially been systemized in the current battle system.

An Uncompromising PS3
---With FFXIII, I've heard that you're aiming for even more movie-like expression than before?
Kitase: Up until now, scenes we wanted to have a sense of real-time were done in realtime and scenes which we wanted to have higher quality and presentation atmosphere were done with CG movies. But with the PS3, expressions that could once only be done with CG movies before, can be done in real-time. Thus, we've incorporated CG movie quality scenes that are drawn in realtime.

---Indeed, the quality is so high that it's very difficult tell the two apart, even if we were told so.
Kitase: Because of that, production became more difficult (lol).

---Does that mean production methods for the event scenes and what not have changed?
Kitase: They've changed. In the past, the planner also produced the events, but now we have a section that specializes in event cuts. The amount of work required increased drastically to the point where just the planner can no longer cover all the work required.

---By developing FFXIII for the PS3, what are some aspects you think have evolved greatly?
Kitase: Probably the graphics. The huge change from PS1 to PS2 was the number of polygons which could be output, resulting in further details in character design. But going from the PS2 to the PS3, the change is even more drastic. Primarily in texture (i think?). For example, FFXIII has a character named Sazh who has an afro. When the character modelling was brought to me, I saw the quality of Sazh's afro and thought to myself that the PS3 really is different (lol)". But yeah, in reality, the afro isn't due just to the PS3, but also due to the creativity of the designer. Also, skin and fur texture is quite amazing, Chocobo's plummage and Vanilla's skirt's cloth texture...that you can actually almost get a sense of what they might feel like in your hands are some of the many things that really surprise us.

---As a designer, how, specifically, do you have to be creative?
Kitase: With 3D graphic designing, there are people who deal with specific aspects. For example, trying to design Sazh's afro as realistically as possible would be delegated to a certain group. In the case of the Afro, a person named Matsuno is in charge, but the design techniques from that may also be used in modelling grass in a plain to make it look more like a real plain. Aspects which we can't rely just on the PS3 power alone, need to be covered with our prior experiences.

---To ask the opposite, are there difficulties that cropped up because it was for the PS3?
Kitase: Up through the PS2, character modelling was very similar to being an extension of sprites, and it was important for the textures themselves to be relatively detailed. Even facial textures were used as they were being modified in photoshop. But with the PS3, realtime modelling is similar to designing a CG movie. Of particular importance is dropping in post-effects into a completed sequence. For example, the realtime effect of backlight pouring through foliage is something that can be done because we're working on the PS3. To show this as realistically as possible, these environmental effets are the most important aspect that cannot be compromised on, and simultaneously, take the most work and effort. Also, going off on a tangent, while moving around and during battles, you can move the camera around freely, but for example, grass blades, depending on angles, the polygon looks like a flat board. With the PS2, we could have said there was nothing we could really do about that, but at the PS3 level, we can't make those excuses. Because we didn't compromise on these aspects either, I believe the amount of work required increased.

---Finally, with FFXIII, how far do you think you've been able to tap into the PS3?
Kitase: Maybe about 50% in the demo? Of course by the time the final version rolls along, I believe we'll be close to 100% of the PS3's potential. Like with FFVII on PS and FFX on PS2, we're always working our hardest to use the full potential of the hardware at that point in time.

---Speaking of which, you're using Bluray now with PS3, but have you run into any storage space difficulties?
Kitase: Only as to whether we'd use a 1 or 2 layer disc, but that's about it. Add to that, with the PS3, you have a hard drive too. If anything, we struggled more with the memory aspect.

And Finally, for those waiting for the Demo and Final Release
---If you could leave a few words for the fans awaiting the demo and final release.
Kitase: The demo battle system's ATB is only showing the basic aspects so only about 50% of what will be in the final game is implemented. The story that's included is also only a very superficial part. But I think it will be a good show of what can be expected of the final product. Please enjoy the demo and I hope you will be waiting in anticipation for the full version.
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Demo that Shows the Battle's Atmosphere
---Can we consider the battle part in the demo to be pretty close to the release version?
Toriyama: Yes. The demo's designed so you can experience the basic system in its entirety. The new Active Time Battle (ATB) sensation, I feel, can be experienced in the demo. Furthermore, this game does not have a seamless battle system like FFXII, but the change into battle is very rapid and has been designed to play with a similar sensation to a seamless system. Of course, moving out of battle is also very smooth, so from a data access/reading point of view, one should be able to play this stress-free.

---In the demo, is it the beginning of the story that's being depicted?
Toriyama: Yes. The story progresses from Lightning and Snow's viewpoint. The beginning starts with an emergency situation called "Purge", and no further information is given so you cannot make sense of the situation when you start off. It's just a very small part of the beginning of the entire game. Thus, at the conclusion of the demo, gamers will have only seen bits and pieces of the story leaving a lot of questions to be answered. We'd like for you to think about the story, but the main aspect of this demo will be to enjoy the battle system

---In regards to FF13's new ATB; the concept of chaining multiple attacks, as well as overpowering your opponent with a Break is a neat concept.
Toriyama: Chains are essentially multiple attacks strung together, and the more you chain, the more your damage goes up in relation to the chain length. Each spell and attack has a chain counter extension rate, so try all sorts of combinations to determine how to easily chain your attacks. And in regards to breaks. This will occur after you've chained a certain amount. Enemies which have been "broken" not only take more damage, but can be lifted off the ground. This is in the official trailer as well, but using this, it really makes downing an enemy exhilarating. At the end of a battle, you will recieve a rating of your battle which will result in a higher rating if you mix in chains and breaks, so please aim for that. Ideally, you would use magics in which you could increase your chain count rather easily, then once the enemy "breaks", lift it off the ground immediately. Then finish the enemy off...by doing so, you can go through the battle rather stylishly. The additional attack after lifting the enemy off the ground does more damage than normal, thus it 's important to use during a boss fight.

---Speaking of which, can any monster be lifted off the ground?
Toriyama: Actually, each moster has a weight value associated with it, so very large monsters are difficult to lift off the ground. For something like Behemoth as an opponent, it becomes important to plan your attacks to increase your chain count and fight strategically. But in the demo, we want you to have a taste of speed and exhilaration, so you can go through it without thinking too hard. From a strategic standpoing, there will be a newer and deeper system that is planned to be implemented in the final release. In the demo, just enjoy the basics of chainig various commands and realizing that different combinations will change the battle drastically.

---Characters that are rather speedy feel to have a higher difficulty associated with them compared to before
Toriyama: In the demo, the balance is a bit on the easy side, but in the final release, specifically referring to the battle, the difficulty has been raised slightly, and may be a little more easy to end up with a Game Over than before. But there's a retry command implemented that will take you to immediately before the battle so don't worry. The easier balancing is so you can try out various playstyle customizations and strategies in the demo.

The Details in Production
---Are there any scenes that you should watch out for?
Toriyama: The situation changes in realtime as yo move around. If you hear a lound noise behind you and look around, you can see a plane plummetting. Also, Sazh leads the way for Lightning at times, but when he points down towards something, please try to get to that location quickly. You will be able to see a real time battle going on.

---You can move the camera in realtime while moving around, but can you do this in battle as well?
Toriyama: Of course. You can move the camera around freely so please find a cool angle for yourself to use. During certain commands, such as lifting an enemy off the ground, the camera angle changes, so there shouldn't be any instance that makes the action difficult to see. Also, we've really worked on the details of magic spell graphics. For example, a fire based spell might leave smoke at where it landed or blizzard spells might leave shards of ice scattered about for a while.

---Is the battle music in the demo the same as that in the final release?
Toriyama: The music in the demo is planned to be used in the same scenes of the final product. On that note, the demo will not contain the standard post-battle fanfare, but in the final product, there will be a fanfare arrangement specifically arranged for FFXIII so please look forward to it. In terms of a victory pose...that's still under discussion (lol).

Secrets of the World Revealed
---What part of the Cocoon do Lightning and co. go crazy in?
Toriyama: It's the very bottom level of the spherical Cocoon. It's not really a place normal citizens would step foot into. In the image below, I think you can see water, but that's really like an underground lake. The location used in the demo uses a somewhat dark palette, but in the interior of the Cocoon, there are bright/festive(?) towns and what not.

---How is the social structure inside the Cocoon?
Toriyama: From the images, one might get the feeling that the Church's militia is supressing its citizens, but the militia acts more like the police force of the Cocoon. They're not really controlling the citizens. If anything, they take care of any monsters that infiltrate the Cocoon. Also, due to Falcie(?), a close to utopian society exists inside the Cocoon.

---Can you describe the existance of Falcie in this world?
Toriyama: Falcie is not something that cannot be seen and exists as matter. In the demo, you can verify Pulse's falcie, but this shape is only but one example. In the final release, Falcie will appear in various forms so please look forward to that.

---Do different monsters appear in the Cocoon and Pulse?
Toriyama: Divided rather largely, there are 3 types of monsters; monsters of pulse, the feral monsters inside the Cocoon, and the monsters that the church's miltia own, but the designs are all different. The monsters that the militia own are designed with over-technology, thus are a fusion of beast and machinery. In this game, monsters you're familiar with have changed greatly from a visual perspective. You've seen Behemoth in previous images, but things like Goblins that this series cannot be without are other monsters to look forward to. Well...just Sabotender (dunno what the western name is) has increased texture detail but basically still looks the same (lol).

---What's the highlight of the demo?
Toriyama: One part I'd like for you to pay particular attention to is the battle part. We've just really focused on creating a sense of exhilaration so we really want for you to have a taste of it. Upon breaking, there's a lot of information that pops up, and you might be a bit overwhelmed. First try to fight however you want to fight, and once you get used to it a bit, start taking into account the chain gauge and breaking; this will increase the strategic aspect of the game. Furthermore, if you start taking into account your party's actions, you'll be able to experience a very stylishly flowing action battle. From a story perspective, the highlight is Lightning and co.'s appearance. There's alot of heavy action right from the get go so please pay attention to it.

Further Evolution in the Final Release
---This is in regards to the battle system, but are there aspects that are not in the demo that might still be modified?
Toriyama: The command part has already gone through various iterations. With your first battle in the demo, you might have a bit of a problem trying to select the enemy or using white (holy in the west?) magic, but this has been rectified in the final product, so don't worry. We're also looking into implementing shortcut-type functions to make command accessibility easier.

---Can you command your party in detail?
Toriyama: In FFXII's gambit system, you prepared before the battle, but in FFXIII, we're thinking of how to adapt to the changing battle.

---In that regards, can you change the character you control freely in the middle of battle?
Toriyama: I can't comment on that in detail yet, but a new system will be implemented.

---We couldn't verify character growth in the demo, but it doesn't seem like character growth is going to be limited to just learning new attacks and spells?
Toriyama: Of course, characters will gain new skills and magic as they grow. Just, please wait for future information on how the characters are raised. Of course, it's not just straight levelling, but we expect to implement a some type of system as was done with the Sphere Board in FFX and Licensed Board in FFXII. Going off on a tangent, but this game's menu system is pretty amazing. I said the traditional blue background with white borders was fine, but the staff worked hard and created a completely fresh menu screen.

---Finally, with the upcoming demo release and fans awaiting the final release, if you could give them a message or 2.
Toriyama: In the demo, we've finally been able to make public the battle system, but bear in mind that it's the very basic battle system. Including what's not encompassed in the demo, the final product will have further polish. I'd like for you to enjoy the demo from both the battle and story side of the game in hopes that it'll increase your anticipation for the final release.
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Additionally:

-In the demo you can play as Lightning and Snow
-Cutscenes can be paused and skipped
-Right stick is for the camera, left is for movement, and you can use that to walk or run.
-Camera can be moved during battle
-NPCs are all fully voiced
-It's being made so that an NPC gets louder as you go closer.
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and

"Demo's opening is same as final product's"
"All HP recovers after every battle"
"The MP system was lost."
"Time gauge increases according to the growth of the character."
"The party members are three people or less."
"The stage of the trial version is bottom of the cocoon (boundary with pulse)"
"only L'Cie can use magics"
"The casket has shape like a pending ball."
"There are many Fal'Cie in pulse and cocoon."
"TP is an element related to the summons beast."
"A new character that puts on the straitjacket appears at the end of the trial version."
"Toriyama says '' he may be an important person ''
"Timegage increases when you are not noticed by the enemy and the combat starts in the final product"
"There are a lot of bright places in the product version though the stage of the trial version is a dark place."
"The battle result is related to the trophy system."
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(some of this was from forums where users were translating from Japanese. The translation may not be perfect, but you get the idea).

I know a few people will be trying to get some video (possibly HD). Also new trailers of FFversus13 and all that good stuff. Might add some stuff about AC, although I don't know what the interest is like there.

Oh crap, live stream starting now sort of...think I'll end this now.

#1 RC Cola, Apr 14, 2009

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I'm watching right now. Does that make me a dork?

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Watching someone else play rpgs always seems so boring. lol The mom got owned. It's pretty sweet how there's barely any lag not like all unlike all the rpgs out these days.

すてきだね

Versus looks great as well.

Damm might have to get a ps3 and import both games.

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This game needs to come out already.

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Wow, the hype has returned. Great visuals, nice music, and battle system seems interesting. Somewhat clear why it is taking so long to come out. That said, I didn't really like the long corridor design, but I'm guessing it was like that just for the demo/early part of the game.

Versus looks great too. I was worried it was just going to be re-cut CG scenes already shown, but I was glad to see that they were showing the extended version of the in-game cutscene shown a while back (would have liked something a little more fresh, but still nice).

SuperStar said:

Watching someone else play rpgs always seems so boring. lol The mom got owned. It's pretty sweet how there's barely any lag not like all unlike all the rpgs out these days.
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Yeah, RPGs aren't the best to watch...or really any game to be honest IMO.

Transitions weren't as seamless as FFXII IIRC, although it was still pretty good. Might be better when the game is finished (this build is from December).

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FF12 and FFXI are the only FF games that are seamless. Maybe it's because they are real time and your characters are already loaded? In FF13 only your main character is on the screen when you're exploring and it's turn base.

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Blah nevermind the Afro guy was just lagging behind.

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I was very impressed with what I saw in that demo. I haven't been this excited for an FF game since 7 or 8. I'm refreshed that they are using a futuristic setting this time around rather than the typical fantasy/medieval times setting. I also can't decided which game I think is going to be better: 13 or versus 13.

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SuperStar said:

Blah nevermind the Afro guy was just lagging behind.
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Yeah, someone actually pointed out how it seems like Sazh followed his own path on the field, sometimes walking ahead or behind you (as opposed to following your every step, similar to previous FF/JRPG games).

I can understand the reasons why it isn't as seamless as say FFXII. I would have preferred that, but as long as it doesn't take 20-30 seconds to load a battle (and there are no random battles), I'm happy. IIRC, I think it was mentioned in an interview that they did it this way due to RAM constraints.

Franchise3 said:

I was very impressed with what I saw in that demo. I haven't been this excited for an FF game since 7 or 8. I'm refreshed that they are using a futuristic setting this time around rather than the typical fantasy/medieval times setting. I also can't decided which game I think is going to be better: 13 or versus 13.
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Still pretty early to judge Versus 13. Only definitive thing I can say about it is that it looks like it might have better visuals than XIII (which looks amazing as it is), although that would be expected. World map and a couple of other things make it sound interesting though.

Did anyone catch the Agito trailer? He didn't play it on his first playthrough, but apparently he did later on. I already turned off the stream at that point though. Sounded pretty interesting (Crisis Core-esque apparently).

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For those of you that missed the live stream, it seems like some videos are being uploaded to the Internet (although some are just captured video from the stream).

1UP is starting to put up some videos:
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/24380
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/24381
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/24385
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/24387

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I was pretty tempted to actually to buy the movie to get this but...

After reading about the fact that the Demo is from an old build and the final release will be very different made me have second thoughts...

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this game looks amazing. Big fan of the FF series.
Is the november release date only for Japan?

Modern Warfare 2 will be released in November...That should keep me busy until FFXIII comes to our shores.

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I don't recall seeing a November release mentioned anywhere (a release date for DQ9 was incorrectly identified as FF13 though). But yes, the Winter 2009 release is for Japan only.

The US release will take place once Square-Enix is done localizing the game for American (and European?) audiences, as well as porting the game to the 360. IIRC, they're aiming to release it within 6 months of the Japanese release....but we'll have to see about that.

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Looks like all 9 clips from Gamevideos are up.

IGN has the Agito trailer here:
http://psp.ign.com/dor/objects/826844/final-fantasy-agito-xiii/videos/ffxiii_agito_090415.html

I think they may have the Versus trailer too, although I'm too lazy to find the link.

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RC Cola said:

Looks like all 9 clips from Gamevideos are up.

IGN has the Agito trailer here:
http://psp.ign.com/dor/objects/826844/final-fantasy-agito-xiii/videos/ffxiii_agito_090415.html

I think they may have the Versus trailer too, although I'm too lazy to find the link.
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I watched a bad cam recording of the Versus trailer, it's probably still on youtube

Nothing too great but I kinda skipped around

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Yeah, I think just about everything that the guy streamed last night is up on Youtube now (plus some video from other users).

I can try to grab some links, but I'm waiting for HD videos. Those will probably be the only ones I bother downloading since I more or less saw everything via the live stream.

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RC Cola said:

It seems like people already have their hands on the demo (or the movie depending on your preference). So far, there hasn't been much except a few screens and confirmation of a Winter 2009 release in Japan for FF13. That said, some guy at justintv will apparently play the game in a little over an hour (9:45PM central). Here's that link:
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Lol. RC Cola with a dig, nice.

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Since this is the newest video game thread ,figure I bump this instead of making a new one

How does buying on European/Japanese PSN work? I have the accounts but I have not bought anything only did free downloads

Can I still swipe my American credit card and the downloads will be useable for all my accounts?

Asking this since Valkyria Chronicles DLCs are out on EuroPSN but not on American yet

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dback816 said:

Asking this since Valkyria Chronicles DLCs are out on EuroPSN but not on American yet
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I want OUTRUN online!!! Been drooling over a online Outrun C2C for over three years when I first played it at a little arcade.

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dback816 said:

Since this is the newest video game thread ,figure I bump this instead of making a new one

How does buying on European/Japanese PSN work? I have the accounts but I have not bought anything only did free downloads

Can I still swipe my American credit card and the downloads will be useable for all my accounts?

Asking this since Valkyria Chronicles DLCs are out on EuroPSN but not on American yet
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I haven't really looked into it so I might be wrong, but I was under the impression that you couldn't do this (think you need a European/Japanese credit card or something). Hmm...you might be able to buy those PSN cards from various regions, and use those though.

Gamersyde is starting to put up some HD videos:
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_7707_en.html
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_7708_en.html
I think I read that the demo is ~5GB. Guess that means no downloadable version anytime soon (of course, with Square-Enix, that was unlikely anyway).

BTW, I kind of assumed that no one here actually tried to import this? Is that the case, or am I wrong? It does seem like some people in the US may be getting their copy pretty soon (if they haven't already).

#20 RC Cola, Apr 16, 2009

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