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[Film]'First Man' omits the American flag being planted on the moon

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by TheresTheDagger, Aug 31, 2018.

  1. TheresTheDagger

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    https://www.businessinsider.com/nei...-american-flag-on-moon-gosling-defends-2018-8
    Is Gosling right that this iconic moment is rightfully omitted from the film? Do you think he should speak for Neil Armstrong?

    Personally, I view it as a slap to historical accuracy and to an extent the American space program itself. Given the times the events of the film occurred in, and the "space race" with the former Soviet Union it seems baffling how this monumental moment for the AMERICAN space program is being changed. While I agree with Gosling it was a tremendous moment for humanity as a whole, the film cheapens all of it by being historically inaccurate.
     
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    I don't view it as a "slap in the face" to anyone, but I do agree that leaving the moment out of a film that's about the 1st Moon landing was a mistake, and I'm at a loss as to why it was omitted. If it was an attempt to "internationalize" Man's first visit to the Moon by not showing it, why on Earth were they that stupid? It's history. Considering how history is being "tampered with" (to put it mildly) by the current occupant of the White House on a daily basis, we sure as hell don't need a movie that's leaving out what was a very important moment in our country's history, and the history of the world. I watched it all live on TV, with Walter providing superb coverage. This is absurd.
     
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    It's part of a bigger coverup -- an alien was taking a knee.
     
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    I don't care...
     
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  5. TheresTheDagger

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    Which is why you commented... :D
     
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    Its a movie and not some historical documentary.

    Its not new for movies to diverge from historical accuracy or skip events if owners feel doing so would better suit their goals. It is not the first and it wont be the last movie to do so.

    Anyone who looks to a movie for historical (or any other form of) accuracy is either naive or delusional.
     
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    Great reviews. Thx for bringing attention to this film. I'm watching.

    As for the flag, this was such an amazing achievement that I view that as not so important. It's more than an American achievement, it's that of human. From that viewpoint, at the moon, toward the earth, you see that we are all one people. Nationality isn't so important.
     
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    I'm pretty sure everybody knows where the bad mother****ers who went there first/only were from.

    It's just a movie. This sounds like red meat to get the red states all riled up at nothing.

    Although I am now pissed that the silly Canuk, Gossling, couldn't even say "sorry" once in that interview.
     
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    I cared that you had my viewpoint of not caring.
     
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    I don't care. ;)
     
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    Flaghuggers are racist.
     
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    Does the film say that a flag was not placed, or does it just not depict that particular event?
     
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    Not sure. I think the latter though.
     
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    I guess out of all the fetishes people can have, flag fetishes are relatively benign.
     
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    Nah. It's just a odd fetish that also allows people to be easily fooled into believing a politician is "good" just because they hug the flag.

    In other words it's a mechanism that is used to push away nuanced policy rhetoric and replaced with symbolic jingoism.

    [​IMG]

    ^ that guy knows it works in spades.
     
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    The movie omitted a ton of things. Buzz Aldrin is barely in it and he walked the moon with Armstrong. Mike Collins, the pilot of the orbiting ship is barely in it. The pretty much cut out all the exposition. The whole space race which spurred NASA on is kept to the background. Neal Armstrong's Korean War heroics also out of the film. Even the dialogue is minimalized.

    The film points out that Armstrong wasn't only chosen because of his ability but also because so many of the test pilots died and he was one of the few remaining. The film, however, doesn't play up the emotion of each loss, and that is fitting with Neil Armstrong's lack of sentimentality.

    I think it is part of the style of the movie to keep almost everything out of the movie that isn't absolutely necessary. I don't think it is a way to slight the U.S. or any kind of a slap in the face. It is merely a stylistic choice. Most folks so far feel the stylistic choices work for the film.
     
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    It just doesn't depict it, like it barely even depicts Buzz Aldrin who walked the moon with Armstrong. It wasn't about anything other than keeping the film minimal and unsentimental.
     
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    Thank you! Good lord. "Based on a true story" gives infinite leeway.

    I know a lot about this film, know a ton about the Moon flag ( considered by some a violation of the spirit of the existing space treaty ), and thisbothers me none. Not a bit. Will be one of the better space program films, I'm betting, when all's said and done.

    Were they supposed to show all the tedious struggles to release and deploy the flag, for historical accuracy? LOL

    People look under every rock to find offense these days. The whole program was and this movie will be so American, uniquely so!

    Sorry OP, w respect, I don't get this one! But will send you a msg - have I got a book for you!
     
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    No, they needed to show every minute, especially the repeated "soil test" using an astronaut boot to mash the lunar soil.
     
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    I literally laughed outloud.
     

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