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Federal court strikes down NC Voter ID

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Jul 29, 2016.

  1. Major

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    Have you ever experienced rural America? You can get housing, loans, jobs, etc without ID fairly easily. Perhaps you simply don't consider those things important.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    Ensuring the validity and legitimacy of the process is more important than ensuring that 100% are included. When you set the bar that low, anyone under it doesn't deserve to vote anyway. If you can't so much as get an ID, your opinion is invalid because you can't do anything else in society anyway. You can't buy a gun, you can't buy alcohol, you can't get a checking account, you can't get a job, you can't drive a car, you can't get into clubs, you can't buy a house, you can't rent a house, you can't get an appartment, you can't buy a car, you can't do anything really.

    Some people are trying to make it sound like getting an ID is some kind of huge hurdle when you need it to do damn near everything in society that matters.
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    LOL, no, you really can't. Maybe you can do odd jobs but any legitimate company is going to require ID for their records......and NO ONE gives you a loan without ID.
     
  4. Mr.Scarface

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    Again, take away the ability for people to check ID for alcohol possession or sale and voila! You'd overnight never have another case of an underage person caught buying alcohol underage.

    This really just shows that the current system makes it really easy to get away with.
     
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    proving who you are is racist!
     
  7. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    so much unnecessary words

    there is virtually no voter fraud

    but of course you don't care about that as you have already answered that question of voter participation and discrimation - you stated some people shouldn't have the right to vote
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    Unless you are

    Buying a gun
    Buying a house
    Buying a car
    Getting a job
    Showing up for jury duty
    Buying a bottle of liquor
    Buying cigarettes
    Getting a loan
    Renting an apartment
    Writing a check
    Using a credit card
    Picking up children from school
    Driving a car
    Registering a car
    Going to a club
     
  9. Bobbythegreat

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    If there's no voter fraud, then a voter ID law shouldn't affect anyone as EVERYONE needs an ID to do damn near anything in society. If it doesn't affect anyone, then you shouldn't be upset about it.
     
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    Sounds like you're championing for some voter test that you have to pass in order to vote, because "anyone who doesn't pass it doesn't deserve to vote anyway".
     
  11. Major

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    Again, you quite clearly have not experienced rural America. You simply live in a bubble of society and aren't familiar with anything outside of your bubble. That's true of most people - but most people aren't obnoxious assholes that think they know more than they do. In small towns, where everyone knows everyone else and you have small independent banks, you can often very much get by without photo ID. Some just have a SS card or birth certificate. Some have nothing at all, but everyone in the area knows them and there's no reason to need an ID. This is more true for car loans and the like than than homes, of course. Or if you're elderly/etc, you can go through life without an ID without any problem. You should get out more and experience life in other peoples' shoes.

    One person's story:

    http://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id

    Some stats:

    http://www.aarp.org/politics-societ...012/voter-id-laws-impact-older-americans.html

    * Having a driver's license or photo identification card is commonplace for most Americans, but about 11 percent of adult citizens — more than 21 million people — lack a valid, government-issued photo ID, according to a study by the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law.

    * Nearly one in five citizens over 65 — about 8 million — lacks a current, government-issued photo ID, a 2006 Brennan Center study found.


    Unless you think all these people are unable to function in society, then it's pretty obvious you can get by without one.
     
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    Interesting that (1) these two court decisions happened in "red" states and (2) the people whining the most about the court's decisions are republicans/conservatives.

    I wonder why...
     
  13. Amiga

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    There is no if to date. There is virtually no fraud.

    Laws to hinder voting participation and is discriminatory is of course going to impact people. If not, it wouldn't have been struck down as such.

    Shouldn't we all be for small effective government? Why have laws that cost money and doesn't achieve anything positive?
     
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    i think there need to be a basic test for someone to run for President! I don't think Trump would have passed.
     
  15. CometsWin

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    And things just continue to get worse for Aceshigh7. Queu urban dance team.
     
  16. Space Ghost

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    Ive lived in rural America for the last 15 years. Everything you stated is nonsense. If anything is required to run through the state or federal database, an ID is required, regardless. Yes, you can go get a job working under the table, but you can do this anywhere. You can not open a banking account w/out an ID. No ifs, and's or buts. This is backed by the Patriot Act. Sure, you can go withdrawl cash and make deposits if you know the teller, but you can't make any type of banking or loans that tie directly to the government. In my state, you can not buy alcohol w/out an ID, regardless of how old you look.
    Your fantasy land on how rural america runs is way out of touch.
     
  17. GladiatoRowdy

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    Nice straw man.

    The argument is that the law was passed with discriminatory intent. It is a statistical fact that blacks and hispanics are more likely than whites to lack the ID required to vote. Given this fact, requiring ID without any provisions to assure that legitimate voters have an easy and free way to acquire the required ID is discriminatory.

    Of course, you could just listen to the Republicans who said as much, but you don't seem like the type to listen.
     
  18. GladiatoRowdy

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    If there was a requirement to register with the liquor authorities in advance to purchase, and it is required to sign the register when you purchase, and if these records are available for people to research to see if people purchased when they weren't supposed to, then your analogy would make sense.

    As it is, your comment isn't analogous in any way.
     
  19. GladiatoRowdy

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    No, it f***ing isn't. Ensuring that every legitimate citizen is able to cast a vote is much more important than allowing Republicans to pass laws that suppress the votes of people who don't vote Republican, which is the only thing these laws are passed to accomplish.

    This is complete and absolute bullsh!t. I haven't shown ID to purchase alcohol in more than two decades. I have gotten jobs without ID, I have gotten a checking account without Texas ID, I drove a car for years without valid ID, nobody has carded me to get into a club in over 15 years, the landlord didn't ask for ID the last time I rented a house.

    You can do most of the things you assume can't be done without ID, easily.

    Getting an ID can be difficult, time consuming, and expensive. After mine lapsed, it took me 3 months, about $75, two days off of work, a visit to the Social Security office, and two visits to the DMV.

    I do note that you're completely avoiding the pure fact that the court found these laws were passed with discriminatory intent. I guess you're OK with discriminating against people, as long as they aren't GOP voters.
     
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  20. GladiatoRowdy

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    No, passing laws with the intent to discriminate against minorities is racist, as is defending those laws.
     

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