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February deficit: largest in history

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Mar 11, 2010.

  1. basso

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    it's the spending stupid. and as the centrist notes, this monthly deficit is greater than the annual deficit for all of 2007.

    [rquoter]Budget deficit sets record in February

    Martin Crutsinger, AP Economics Writer, On Wednesday March 10, 2010, 2:44 pm EST
    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The government ran up the largest monthly deficit in history in February, keeping the flood of red ink on track to top last year's record for the full year.

    The Treasury Department said Wednesday that the February deficit totaled $220.9 billion, 14 percent higher than the previous record set in February of last year.


    The deficit through the first five months of this budget year totals $651.6 billion, 10.5 percent higher than a year ago.

    The Obama administration is projecting that the deficit for the 2010 budget year will hit an all-time high of $1.56 trillion, surpassing last year's $1.4 trillion total. The administration is forecasting that the deficit will remain above $1 trillion in 2011, giving the country thrree straight years of $1 trillion-plus deficits.

    The administration says the huge deficits are necessary to get the country out of the deepest recession since the 1930s. But Republicans have attacked the stimulus spending as wasteful and a failure at the primary objective of lowering unemployment.

    The administration defends the economic stimulus bill that Congress passed in February 2009 with a pricetag at the time of $787 billion as the right medicine to get the economy back on its feet. President Barack Obama has said even more is needed to battle an unemployment rate that remained stuck in February at 9.7 percent.

    The White House says that job creation will remain a top priority, hoping to convince voters that Obama did not spend too much time during his first year in office trying to get Congress to pass health care reform.

    The government's monthly budget report showed the record $220.9 billion deficit for February reflected outlays of $328.4 billion and revenues of $107.5 billion. The February receipts marked the first time that revenues are up compared with the same month a year ago since April 2008. Revenues had fallen for 21 straight months as the recession cut into both individual and corporate income tax payments.

    Deficits normally shoot up in February because it is a month when the government makes large refund payments to individuals and corporations as part of the tax filing process. Those payments were boosted this year by various tax credits that were expanded or added as part of the government's stimulus efforts including the "Making Work Pay" tax credit and the first-time home buyers tax credit.

    Through the first five months of the budget year, government revenues totaled $800.5 billion, down 7 percent from a year ago, while outlays totaled $1.45 trillion, up a slight 0.1 percent from a year ago.

    The deficit of $651.6 billion through February is up by 10.5 percent from the $589.8 billion deficit run up during the first five months of the 2009 budget year. The government's budget year begins on Oct. 1.

    The budget that Obama sent to Congress in February projects that the deficits over the next decade will total $8.53 trillion. But the Congressional Budget Office last week put the 10-year total even higher at $9.8 trillion. Part of the reason for the $1.2 trillion difference is that the CBO is projecting slower economic growth and thus less tax revenues than the administration over the next decade.

    The administration has maintained that the country must run large budget deficits until the economy has begun to grow at a sustainable pace that is bringing the unemployment rate down. Only then, the administration says, should the government focus on getting control of the deficits.

    Obama has created by executive order an 18-member fiscal reform commission that has been charged with coming up with a plan to shrink the deficit to 3 percent of the economy within five years. The plan is scheduled to be unveiled in December, after the midterm congressional elections.

    With the economy so weak, the interest rates that the government has to finance the flood of red ink have remained low. However, economists are worried that the favorable outlook on interest rates could change quickly if investors, including foreign investors, start to worry about the government's commitment to restraining future deficits. China is the largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasury securities.

    Through the first five months of this budget year, net interest payments totaled $86.5 billion, up 15.3 percent from a year ago.

    In its report last week, the CBO predicted that the government debt held by investors would climb from $7.5 trillion at the end of last year to $20.3 trillion in 2020. CBO forecast that interest payments would more than quadruple from a projected $209 billion this year to $916 billion annually by the end of the decade.[/rquoter]
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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  3. SamFisher

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    And once again, we know who to blame for this:

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  4. basso

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    if bushes policies are to blame for 40% of the deficit, which of those would Obama reverse, and how would that affect the deficit?
     
  5. Grizzled

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    You also know one big thing you could do about it, and that is to eliminate the massive waste in the US’s antiquated and bureaucracy laden health care system. That would save everyone, particularly the government, a huge amount of money. About $1 trillion per of direct savings could be realized by reforming the US health care system.

    Healthcare spending as % GDP
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Comparison_-_Healthcare_spending_as_%_GDP.png

    Iirc, however, basso is pro waste and bureaucracy if the waste is going into his own or his friends’ pockets. Basso really isn’t interested in spending or efficiency at all. He couldn’t care less what’s best for the US, in other words. He’s only interested in what’s best for him and his friends.
     
  6. DcProWLer277

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    Really?
     
  7. SamFisher

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    Hopefully not too many for purely fiscal reasons - cutting too much spending now would cause a repeat of 1936/37.
     
  8. Bandwagoner

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    Do you have an app on your phone that sends an alert when Basso starts a thread?
     
  9. GladiatoRowdy

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    Yes, it is called "Liealert" and works on MojoMan threads too.
     
  10. basso

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    so, the deficit is Bush's fault, except for that portion that isn't, and Obama wouldn't change any of Bush's policies for fiscal reasons.

    no wonder he's been so triumphantly successful.
     
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  12. Bandwagoner

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    I'm calling BS.
     
  13. GladiatoRowdy

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    And you would be right. I lied about that and I am deeply sorry if I offended you.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    More or less - you're obscuring a bit, I mean it was pretty simple, but I'll break it down into the two component parts for you again.

    1. The portion of the deficit that is Bush's fault, is indeed Bush's fault.

    Do you disagree with this? I don't believe you do.

    2. To the extent that you are asking me that Obama should reverse large portions of Bush's policies (in the form of slashing spending) for the sole purpose of cutting the deficit in the short term - no I find that inadvisable as history - and Introductory Macro - has warned us of the dangers of jumping the gun too quickly too early on in a recovery.

    That does not meant that certain of Bush's policies (guantanamo, illegal torture, disastrous wars, Don't Ask Don't Tell etc) should not be suspended or reversed for non-fiscal reasons.
     
  15. Bandwagoner

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    Just burned me by not letting me find out if SF has one. :(
     
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    For those of you that missed it, basso posted one line of his own content in this thread, and even that was factually incorrect. The Bush deficit for 2007 was technically lower - but only because it did not include costs for Iraq or Afghanistan as well as other "emergency" spending. When you actually use the same accounting methods for both budgets, its simply not true.

    Yes, I realize that basso has a surface understanding of numbers and can only regurgitate what he hears without actually having any knowledge of the subject he's discussing, but I still thought it striking that even his one attempt at picking something to summarize and post himself instead of just copying & pasting an article was a miserable failure.
     
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    In honor of basso, I'm requoting major without my own input.

    [rQUOTEr]For those of you that missed it, basso posted one line of his own content in this thread, and even that was factually incorrect. The Bush deficit for 2007 was technically lower - but only because it did not include costs for Iraq or Afghanistan as well as other "emergency" spending. When you actually use the same accounting methods for both budgets, its simply not true.

    Yes, I realize that basso has a surface understanding of numbers and can only regurgitate what he hears without actually having any knowledge of the subject he's discussing, but I still thought it striking that even his one attempt at picking something to summarize and post himself instead of just copying & pasting an article was a miserable failure.[/rQUOTEr]
     
  18. rhadamanthus

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    In honor of basso, I will refer to him as B-HO within this post. Ergo, in the confines of this post I am emulating B-HO by quoting something with little or no content of my own to add.
     
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  19. SamFisher

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    I'm doing so by including a link, and then a foreign phrase, comprenez-vous?
     
  20. basso

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    how would glosing Gitmo, ending "illegal torture" and repealing DADT narrow the deficit?

    in your answer, please include the acts that leagally constitute torture, and which laws were broken by their use. also, under what reading of Bush v. Gore could W be construed to have been president when DADT was implemented, thereby claiming DADT to be a "bush policy?"
     

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