FBI workers saw Guantanamo abuse This is a real shame. There are more than 2 dozen FBI witnesses to this stuff.
Awwww.... poor terrorists! I feel so bad for them! I really hope they ARE being mistreated. They mistreated the US! Forget about water-boarding them, I'm in favor of urine-boarding them. I'd buy tickets just to watch that! Apologies for not having any sympathy whatsoever for terrorists who destroyed the Twin Towers, killed 3,000 Americans, and destroyed our financial markets for years.
I sort've agree. I wouldn't pay to watch however. If there is a terrorist that knows something and they need to torture him to get it, then maybe I don't disagree with that. One problem with it is when you torture someone they will tell you only what you want to hear and it also sort've makes us look bad. Also what if they torture someone that is innocent? It's risky business.
http://www.cageprisoners.com/prisoners.php just by the list of innocents that were tortured then freed should tell you that its VERY RISKY... and more times than not, innocents ARE tortured. The weak would rather face death than torture and may admit to whatever the torturer wants to hear.
Man sometimes i feel bad for you(atleasdt if this really is your opinion, and you do not just say it to get under other peoples skins). You are aware that a lot of those people propably had no0thing to do with 9-11, an that in most cases it wasnt proved they were terorists. You also know that you react exactly the same way the terrorist would act. They feel the same way about americans as you do about them. Just to let you know.
yeah i agree. I wish you could edit posts on this board. I wanted to change what I wrote and make it clearer that I meant that anyone who is being tortured is going to say what the person wants them to say, regardless of if its true or not.
You have to forgive tj. Yesterday was a hard day for him. He was distraught as Democrats took the reins of power in BOTH houses of Congress. The only thing that can take his mind off the electoral debacle suffered by his party is feverish fantasies of terrorist golden showers and obsessive viewing of Saddam snuff p*rn.
This one post is great. In one post it conveys several messages. The first thing it conveys is TJ's lack of understanding of who is in Gitmo in the first place. That is to be expected from someone arguing about the Iraq war who didn't even know who Saddam held treaties and agreements with that he was supposedly violating. The second would be TJ's apparent contempt for United States moral standing, traditions and principles. The third kind of ties in to the first and shows TJ's scorn for the principle of innocent until proven guilty. The fourth would be TJ's lack of appreciation for the people who honorably serve the U.S. in our FBI. The fifth thing this shows is TJ's lack of support for our military which has come out strongly against torture. It is amazing to see what one post can show about a person and their attitudes.
Putting off to the side the outright lie that more times than not innocents are tortured, as well as the ridiculous 'cageprisoners' source, let me address the standard to which you are holding our military: The standard of 100% accuracy. Holding ANYONE or ANYTHING to 100% accuracy is an impossible standard. Were perfection the standard for continued operation of any ongoing process or enterprise, we as a society would have no judicial system, police force, corporate entities, heck, we'd have almost nothing. So why then, are the terrorist sympathizers attempting to hold GitMo to the standard of 100% accuracy? That dog don't hunt, boys. Let the liberals run on the 'sympathy' for GitMo terrorists platform -- the nation does not support coddling terrorists. You've got to break a few eggs to make an omelette, and in this case, you've unfortunately got to punish a few innocents to get to the evil-doers. Fire up the griddle!
You continue to use a strawdog. People aren't against torture in gitmo because of sympathy for terrorists. They are against torture in gitmo because they oppose something so immoral and hated as torture. It is a chief reason we hated Saddam. It is why we don't like dictators because they torture. You seem to have much more in common with Saddam and other dictators than those you call terrorist sympathizers.
tradertexx, you do realize that most of the people we have captured have ended up being totally innocent? how would you feel if you were imprisoned and tortured and had done nothing wrong? im sure you would you freak. you neocon bootlickers are nothing more than a bunch of depraved perverts - look at your god bush, hanging out with male prostitutes and his administration claiming that they can sexually torture children. look at all the weird sex abuses at abu graib - making dudes wear womens underwear and sticking glow sticks up their poopers. you get off on all that dont you tradertexx? or what about ted haggard, who was a good friend of bush - sex and crystal meth with male hookers. or limbaugh and his viagra induced sexcapades in the phillipines. or o'reilly and his loofa sponge. or foley and the teenage boys. we wont even get into the bush's and skull and bones and all the weird sex stuff they do to each other. their is something really sick and wrong with you people and your desire to watch dudes get peed on only reinforces the perverted and diseased state of your mind. again, not everyone we are torturing is guilty. and besides, what we are doing are things that civilized "christian" people should not be doing. bush may not be held accountable in this life for his crimes, but i do believe in a greater power and i do believe that he will answer in the next life. all this aside though, anybody who knows anything about intelligence gathering will tell you that torture is not a good way to gather info. we just have a bunch of sadistic freaks running this country.
right...ok I think I speak for everyone when I say please take a deep breath and go have an intenbse 5 minute cuddling session with a kitten.
you speak for everyone? thats a bold claim sir. thanks for the advice, but im cool. im not the one wanting to pay money to watch dudes get their heads dunked in urine. im simply pointing out the depravity and hypocrisy of "christian conservative" leaders. its too easy. i dont have any kittens, but how about a 5 minute cuddling session w/ my dog? do you care to dispute any of the content of my post? is it ok for the president to plant a gay male prostitute in the white house press corp to ask him easy questions? is it ok for said gay male prostitute to make dozens and dozens of visits to the white house? is it "christian" or "conservative" to hang out with gay male hookers? is it normal to want to pay money to watch dudes get their heads dunked in urine?
wow... I don't know what to say. Even if I did, I'll save it for when you're a little more calm. Having a bad day?
not at all. im working out of my house, drinking my coffee and jammin' bo diddley. its such a nice day im going for a bike ride after work. i do appreciate your concern, but im cool as a cucumber. why dont you answer my question instead trying to tell me to calm down? do you deny the bush/male prostitute connection? why do you avoid the facts? and do you think it is ok to torture people like tj does?
