Heath, the point isnt about if you like your team or not. it is about the long term heath of the league. I like my team. I always have, but there are many teams out there that wernt allowed to pick their team until all they had were the clippers and their star players was... I dont even know who their star was without all the beef. maybe Maggette. regardless they didnt start with mutumbo and Ivylike you, or with Dirk and Finley like me. theyalso didnt get the advanteage of the first superdraft. this last draft was garbage to the first one. What are the rules anyway??? I never saw a complete compilation of the rules. rather an bunch of general understandings. understandings like. someone posts a question and you BGM, and 2 other managers attempt to answer with you opiions. that is not davis stern, it is CD, Krause and Jordan all chiming in on their interpretation. maybe we should have a rules thread. whatever PEACE ------------------ Hanta-Force Paintball www.hanta-force.com
I'm obviously not going to be too keen on starting over, you mean I'd end up getting Malone and Stockton back and I have to find someone new to trade them to right? I totally revamped my roster, the last thing I want to do is just hit the reset button. The only way I'd be down with starting over is if we clear all of the rosters and have a large draft. Maybe not even clear the rosters, but just the starting 5 or something. If we somehow decide to do the roster reset and not have a mass starter draft, then I'm getting a new team because I actually took the Jazz assuming it was only going to be a one year thing. I do think we need to definitely agree on retirement and the draft process soon. The other ideas aren't neccesarily make or break, unless I'm reading the situation wrong and can be figured out post-season. ------------------
I think I agree with the consensus at least wait several seasons. I do think however one thing that may prove to be a help is that I have heard rumors that NBA Live 2002 may have a franchise mode. If it does and Cat gets that game we may find it a bit easier to start over with. On other EA games franchise mode includes free agency and rookie drafts etc. We would probably need to start from scratch with this one if that is the way we decide to go. CK ------------------ CC.Net Sim Homepage For stats, standings and team information.
The fairest idea in my mind, which is also probably the hardest, would be for all of us to have a massive 12 round draft, it would take 2 weeks probably, but it would be the fairest way to even out the power and give every GM a fair shake. I'm guessing thats impossible though. All I know is I enjoy this league, and whatever the group decides I'll be fine with. ------------------
Heath, dont you think that you would like your team even more if you had a chance to draft all the players yourself? I really dont understand the whole fear factor of starting over. VOR and I are not asking to start over because of some latent dislike of our teams or because the silly trades we might have made in the past season but because in my mind at least the current rules are not indicative of a "fantasy keeper league." The whole reason for the common draft is to re-level the playing field for other GMs because of the talent we stripped away from the new GMs teams in the first season, which in my mind at least was the first mistake the league made. So in essense we are now sort of paying for are mistake by redrafting players every year in the common draft. My arguement is that instead of making up for that draft over several seasons, lets just make it up in one season. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
kbm, are you suggesting what i'm saying in that we should just have a massive draft where we build our own rosters? or do you want to just reset the rosters with the kings keeping peja and the rockets keeping mobley, and raptors keeping carter etc? ------------------
Massive draft, but I still think we should keep playing this season out since it will take some time to complete the draft. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
I wouldn't mind starting over, but I think AT LEAST 2 more years should be simmed. It's not like it'll take forever, and teams have already worked hard to get their rosters set for upcoming seasons. a 12 player draft would be hell waiting on 20 other owners. Anyway it's mostly up to Cat, and it doesn't sound like he wants to change the format for quite some time. ------------------ snap crackle pop
Cool, I'm all for the massive draft... I'm just in shock that we agree with each other. ------------------
Yeah let's go through a couple seasons and work out the kinks, and then we can start all over with rules that we can count on not changing. ------------------
Holy Crap BGM and KBM agree. What are the percentages on that happening? BTW I wouldn't have a problem with a full draft. An dI also agree we need to play a little longer with this to work out some kinks (i.e. do we add rookies into the big draft or hold a seperate rookie draft?) CK ------------------ CC.Net Sim Homepage For stats, standings and team information.
Crisco, I think we should keep playing until we complete the draft. But I dont think anyone can deny that the league has flaws and the longer we play the harder it is just scrap the league to help remove them. I also feel a massive draft could attract enough new GMs to fill up the league. I also feel that unless we start creating new players so that we can have a rookie draft every year, the league is going to get kinda old quick. But hey at least I have assimilated some. BGM, aint it grand we can agree! ------------------ I am an invisible man.
I agree changes need to be made, but disagree that it would be harder to scrap later on. Some teams have made moves to have their teams better in the future, while others have adopted a win-now approach. I would like to at least play with the team that I will assemble with my picks next year after I put effort into trading. I wouldn't have made any trades had I known there wouldn't be a common round draft. Yes, the new gms will struggle, but they knew that when they signed up. Just give warning - there will be no common or rookie drafts after the next ones, and we'll get our teams and sim out the seasons with the teams we've created. Or if you want to get it out of the way, let's do the rookie and 2nd common round draft right now. As strong as my team is now, I expect it to be stronger next season, which is what I have been planning on. also, while a 12 round draft sounds cool, who gets the 2nd pick? I know I'll get the 1st but everyone else will be fighting to get that 2nd spot. and a 12 round draft with 20 some odd people would be hell. No way everyone can get together and no way someone can get that big of a list together to send to Cat. Why not just sim out a few more seasons, find all the kinks, and iron out the kinks when we start over. ------------------ snap crackle pop [This message has been edited by CriscoKidd (edited May 18, 2001).]
We could just do a random order number system. Of course all of the GM's need to trust the dude doing the random order. I don't know how we'd set it up, I don't care how long it would take, I'd much rather have a totally fair league that takes 2 weeks to set up over a questionably fair league that takes a couple days to start. I want to do 1 more common draft so I can at least build the team I've been envisioning for this entire offseason. After that common draft, I don't care what we do. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Band Geek Mobster (edited May 18, 2001).]
Well I would not have a problem with Cat setting the order. Have him put everyone's name in a hat and draw. We would need to decide how to do each round. Would we do a revolving draft(the first pick in each round goes to a different team), straight draft(first pick in each round goes to the same team) or reverse draft(draft 1-30 for round one and then reverse that so team 30 picks 1st in second round and 1 picks last and so forth). CK ------------------ CC.Net Sim Homepage For stats, standings and team information. [This message has been edited by Castor27 (edited May 18, 2001).]
I'll set it up BGM. You want the number2 overall? you have to give me your 5th round pick though. Small price to pay I think. Who wants number 3? If we are just going to play one more year, then why even bother dragging it out? Let's just sim it all now and crown VOR or Smeg as champ and start over. Then we can take 2 weeks or whatever dragging out a 12 round draft where i choose the order. ------------------ snap crackle pop
I think if anyone would want to sim out this league for many more seasons to come, it would be me. I mean most of my main contributors are under the age of 25. Most players reach their prime at 28, so that means we need to sim for another 7 seasons before my team is how I want it. BTW, it's not that hard to set up a system of random numbers on a calculator. I did it all of the time in my Stat class. If anything we'll have Dr of Junk make the random drawing since he's a huge computer nerd and he has no interest in who gets what pick. I'm for simming at least long enough to test out the rookie draft and see how that works out. Also we can use the current sim as a way to test out future rules (retirement, etc). ------------------ [This message has been edited by Band Geek Mobster (edited May 18, 2001).]
The best way to set the order is on an alternating system. The team that has the first pick in round one has the last pick in round two. I for one would like to pick in middle of the pack. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
I agree with that. And i would like a middle pick also. But I still think the draft order would need to be set arbitrarily. CK ------------------ CC.Net Sim Homepage For stats, standings and team information.
