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Fast Break Points (or lack thereof)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ima_drummer2k, Mar 25, 2009.

  1. ima_drummer2k

    ima_drummer2k Member

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    It seems like we have really struggled over the last…..oh…DECADE….with converting easy fast break buckets. I’m talking about 2 on 1, 3 on 2, and even 3 on 1 advantages being wasted because no one knows how to fill up the lane. How many times do we have an advantage after a steal and somehow manage to screw it up with a turnover, missed layup, blocked shot, offensive foul, missed 3-pointer, etc.

    I constantly see mistakes like no one on the wing(s), passing to a big man who isn’t prepared for the pass, no trailer behind the ball, passing to a man behind the ball. Seems like this team needs to take a Fast Break 101 class or something. A lot of these things are supposed to be learned in high school, if not earlier. Yet we can’t seem to figure it out. We are leaving 10 points on the board every night it seems.

    I wish we had a guy like Otis Thorpe who knew how to finish on a break.
     
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  2. XBLRocketman111

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    Hopefully Landry turn into that "guy". He likes running on the break and can finish. Without him there is a big hole in the paint. I would have liked seeing him in the attempting a "give me dat" last night. I miss him.

    Honestly guys were really out of control last night on the break. Haven't seen much of that but last night they just weren't going in. I liked the aggresiveness though. Need to slow it down at times. No need to force the issue!
     
  3. Shaud

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    Sometimes we have the bad habit of camping out at the 3 pt line instead of running to the basket to get easy baskets on fast breaks. Shane does it and I've seen Wafer do that.
     
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  4. WhoMikeJames

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    We need to work on finishing at the basket. We are 5th worse in the league at inside FG%, tied for team that gets blocked the most inside, 5th worse at getting And1's, and 4th worse in number of dunks.
     
  5. Hayesfan

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    As Shaud said, it seems like we don't have the take it to the rim mentality.

    There are times that Scola does a fast break well, but other than him and the point guards we struggle to get down the court and convert.
     
  6. Fuzzybear

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    Lowry and Wafer have been tremendous at producing points primarily on a 1 vs all basis. And our actual execution of the fast break is not terrible at all.

    It's just that when the referees "let them play" our drives are rendered useless by the non-call contact that is allowed.
     
  7. Rocketman95

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    the problem is those guys, especially wafer, don't seem to understand when they are not getting those calls, they should change their game to suit the tempo of the game. it would have been nice to see a little bit of offense run during all those times wafer just decided he was going to take it to the basket himself instead of waiting on his teammates.

    wafer's too emotional to be effective if he's not getting those calls. all he is doing is pushing harder and making worse decisions only to get upset when he still doesn't get the call.
     
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  8. ima_drummer2k

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    That’s what I suspected. Where did you get these stats? I wonder if there is a stat that tells team ratios between fast break points and fast break opportunities. I’m willing to bet we are near the bottom.

    But I don’t really consider that a true fast break. One guy taking it to the hole against 5 defenders isn’t what I’m talking about. I’m talking about grabbing a rebound and making a quick outlet pass (which we actually do very well), then getting easy buckets before the defense has a chance to get set (which we don’t do very well at all).

    Seems like once we make the outlet pass and get going on the break, that’s when all hell breaks loose. More often than not, it's just horrible execution. And I’m not just talking about last night.
     
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  9. XBLRocketman111

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    Brooks will become alot better in transition with his pull up from 17 or 18 feet. If he can get that down to a science, it would be hard to stop him. I think wafer and lowry were trying to hard last night, they attacked the game instead of letting the game come to them.
     
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    well when we could get t-mac to run the open court he would usually finish at the rim and I'm talking an actual fast break not this transition 5-4 or 4-3 kinda thing. Sometimes when the key is cluttered though the 3 or outside jumper is our best option.
     
  11. Artesticles

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    Are there team fast break statistics?

    We tried to run the fast break in the Jazz game many times but failed many times.

    Stats I'd like to see.

    # fast break attempts per game

    # fast break points per game

    # fast break attempts per 100 possessions

    # fast break points per 100 possessions

    Using the latter two stats, you can get an idea of how well we actually convert them. A fast break efficiency stat. Just divide FB points/FB attempts per 100 possessions and we get a useful ratio.
     
  12. GATER

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    The combination of Alston, Battier and Grady played the game at way too slow of a pace. Not to mention I've been pointing out for years how horrific Mr Intangibles is in transition O. But IMHO, the Rockets have recognized the problem and that's why Alston was dealt. I suspect transition will be a primary focus for Morey in the next several summers and trade deadlines.

    Realistically though, teams like the Spurs and Jazz are excellent at matching up in transition. So the Rox are still getting only about 6 fastbreak points against them. The difference is that the Rockets no longer struggle with mid-level and poor transition teams.

    I could be wrong, but I see a definite focus by Adelman and Morey to get this team to play at a faster pace. The trick will be getting some good transition players for Grady's expiring contract.
     
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    I don't think they will focus on getting players that can run a break. They want to play faster and smarter. Push if it's not there don't force it, style! We have a good mix right now if you throw in James White.
     
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    our only good transition players are Lowry, Wafer, Barry, and Scola. Everyone else is too slow to make it to half court by the time one of them gets to the basket. Battier is really bad at finishing so it's understandable that he doesn't get any fast break points.
     
  15. Artesticles

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    Your obsession with the transition game is amusing. McGrady will be not be traded for greyhounds. I don't even see Wafer being here next year, and I won't exactly be complaining. Who cares if we can run the break well against bad teams... will we be playing them in the 1st round?
     
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