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[FASCISM]Bush can now, legally, declare Martial Law in the U.S.

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  1. thadeus

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    Bush Moves Toward Martial Law
    Written by Frank Morales
    Thursday, 26 October 2006

    In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law (1). It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions.

    Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."

    President Bush seized this unprecedented power on the very same day that he signed the equally odious Military Commissions Act of 2006. In a sense, the two laws complement one another. One allows for torture and detention abroad, while the other seeks to enforce acquiescence at home, preparing to order the military onto the streets of America. Remember, the term for putting an area under military law enforcement control is precise; the term is "martial law."

    Section 1076 of the massive Authorization Act, which grants the Pentagon another $500-plus-billion for its ill-advised adventures, is entitled, "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies." Section 333, "Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law" states that "the President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of ("refuse" or "fail" in) maintaining public order, "in order to suppress, in any State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy."

    For the current President, "enforcement of the laws to restore public order" means to commandeer guardsmen from any state, over the objections of local governmental, military and local police entities; ship them off to another state; conscript them in a law enforcement mode; and set them loose against "disorderly" citizenry - protesters, possibly, or those who object to forced vaccinations and quarantines in the event of a bio-terror event.

    The law also facilitates militarized police round-ups and detention of protesters, so called "illegal aliens," "potential terrorists" and other "undesirables" for detention in facilities already contracted for and under construction by Halliburton. That's right. Under the cover of a trumped-up "immigration emergency" and the frenzied militarization of the southern border, detention camps are being constructed right under our noses, camps designed for anyone who resists the foreign and domestic agenda of the Bush administration.

    An article on "recent contract awards" in a recent issue of the slick, insider "Journal of Counterterrorism & Homeland Security International" reported that "global engineering and technical services powerhouse KBR [Kellog, Brown & Root] announced in January 2006 that its Government and Infrastructure division was awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contract to support U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facilities in the event of an emergency." "With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five year term," the report notes, "the contract is to be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers," "for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) - in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs." The report points out that "KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton." (3) So, in addition to authorizing another $532.8 billion for the Pentagon, including a $70-billion "supplemental provision" which covers the cost of the ongoing, mad military maneuvers in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other places, the new law, signed by the president in a private White House ceremony, further collapses the historic divide between the police and the military: a tell-tale sign of a rapidly consolidating police state in America, all accomplished amidst ongoing U.S. imperial pretensions of global domination, sold to an "emergency managed" and seemingly willfully gullible public as a "global war on terrorism."

    Make no mistake about it: the de-facto repeal of the Posse Comitatus Act (PCA) is an ominous assault on American democratic tradition and jurisprudence. The 1878 Act, which reads, "Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both," is the only U.S. criminal statute that outlaws military operations directed against the American people under the cover of 'law enforcement.' As such, it has been the best protection we've had against the power-hungry intentions of an unscrupulous and reckless executive, an executive intent on using force to enforce its will.

    Unfortunately, this past week, the president dealt posse comitatus, along with American democracy, a near fatal blow. Consequently, it will take an aroused citizenry to undo the damage wrought by this horrendous act, part and parcel, as we have seen, of a long train of abuses and outrages perpetrated by this authoritarian administration.

    Despite the unprecedented and shocking nature of this act, there has been no outcry in the American media, and little reaction from our elected officials in Congress. On September 19th, a lone Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) noted that 2007's Defense Authorization Act contained a "widely opposed provision to allow the President more control over the National Guard [adopting] changes to the Insurrection Act, which will make it easier for this or any future President to use the military to restore domestic order WITHOUT the consent of the nation's governors."

    Senator Leahy went on to stress that, "we certainly do not need to make it easier for Presidents to declare martial law. Invoking the Insurrection Act and using the military for law enforcement activities goes against some of the central tenets of our democracy. One can easily envision governors and mayors in charge of an emergency having to constantly look over their shoulders while someone who has never visited their communities gives the orders."

    A few weeks later, on the 29th of September, Leahy entered into the Congressional Record that he had "grave reservations about certain provisions of the fiscal Year 2007 Defense Authorization Bill Conference Report," the language of which, he said, "subverts solid, longstanding posse comitatus statutes that limit the military's involvement in law enforcement, thereby making it easier for the President to declare martial law." This had been "slipped in," Leahy said, "as a rider with little study," while "other congressional committees with jurisdiction over these matters had no chance to comment, let alone hold hearings on, these proposals."

    In a telling bit of understatement, the Senator from Vermont noted that "the implications of changing the (Posse Comitatus) Act are enormous". "There is good reason," he said, "for the constructive friction in existing law when it comes to martial law declarations. Using the military for law enforcement goes against one of the founding tenets of our democracy. We fail our Constitution, neglecting the rights of the States, when we make it easier for the President to declare martial law and trample on local and state sovereignty."

    Senator Leahy's final ruminations: "Since hearing word a couple of weeks ago that this outcome was likely, I have wondered how Congress could have gotten to this point. It seems the changes to the Insurrection Act have survived the Conference because the Pentagon and the White House want it."

    The historic and ominous re-writing of the Insurrection Act, accomplished in the dead of night, which gives Bush the legal authority to declare martial law, is now an accomplished fact.

    The Pentagon, as one might expect, plays an even more direct role in martial law operations. Title XIV of the new law, entitled, "Homeland Defense Technology Transfer Legislative Provisions," authorizes "the Secretary of Defense to create a Homeland Defense Technology Transfer Consortium to improve the effectiveness of the Department of Defense (DOD) processes for identifying and deploying relevant DOD technology to federal, State, and local first responders."

    In other words, the law facilitates the "transfer" of the newest in so-called "crowd control" technology and other weaponry designed to suppress dissent from the Pentagon to local militarized police units. The new law builds on and further codifies earlier "technology transfer" agreements, specifically the 1995 DOD-Justice Department memorandum of agreement achieved back during the Clinton-Reno regime.(4)

    It has become clear in recent months that a critical mass of the American people have seen through the lies of the Bush administration; with the president's polls at an historic low, growing resistance to the war Iraq, and the Democrats likely to take back the Congress in mid-term elections, the Bush administration is on the ropes. And so it is particularly worrying that President Bush has seen fit, at this juncture to, in effect, declare himself dictator.

    Source:
    (1) http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200609/091906a.html and http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200609/092906b.html See also, Congressional Research Service Report for Congress, "The Use of Federal Troops for Disaster Assistance: Legal Issues," by Jennifer K. Elsea, Legislative Attorney, August 14, 2006

    (2) http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-5122

    (3) Journal of Counterterrorism & Homeland Security International, "Recent Contract Awards", Summer 2006, Vol.12, No.2, pg.8; See also, Peter Dale Scott, "Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps," New American Media, January 31, 2006.

    (4) "Technology Transfer from defense: Concealed Weapons Detection", National Institute of Justice Journal, No 229, August, 1995, pp.42-43.

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    The article is a bit over-the-top (or is it?), but this is a seriously big problem. Not just because Bush can do it, but because any one who occupies the office after he does will have access to the same power. It's the same reason most Democrats sided with the Republicans in renewing the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act: To put more power in the hands of government to determine the activities of citizens.

    One of the foundational beliefs of the Founding Fathers was inherited from the 'radical Whigs' of England and their political theories - the belief that all government naturally moves toward tyranny if it is not checked by the populace (and sometimes even if it is checked).

    Note this part of the official record: "Jun 22, 2006: This bill passed in the Senate by Unanimous Consent. A record of each representative's position was not kept." (emphasis mine)

    Why is it that NO ONE is reporting this? Who considers something like this unimportant? I'm expecting those on the board who think "it couldn't happen here" will dismiss this as paranoia/conspiracy/etc., or as 'no big deal.' But remember - fascism only came into existence because enough people wanted it.

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    President George W. Bush signs into law H.R. 5122, the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007, Tuesday, Oct. 17, 2006, in the Oval Office. Joining him are from left: Vice President Dick Cheney, Rep. Duncan Hunter of California, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Sen. John Warner of Virginia, and General Peter Pace, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff. White House photo by Eric Drape
     
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    "I told you I was the decider!!!!!!" "We will of course, have free and open elections....but I will get 99.9 % of the vote...due to the ridiculous fear that what will happen to those who vote against me is somehow my fault." :D
     
  3. Rule0001

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    I'm a facsist at heart, I take pride in this.
     
  4. halfbreed

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    If Bush is a fascist, what does that make darling Hugo Chavez?
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    popular? I'm not aware of Chavez declaring martial law, though. It is true with the Bush administration supporting coups against the democratically elected Chavez he might have more cause to, but luckily it hasn't happened.
     
  6. thadeus

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    I don't know. I don't live there. Any thoughts on the subject of the article?
     
  7. giddyup

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    Why does John Warner hate America?
     
  8. Ottomaton

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    Actually he operated under conditions of martial law when he attempted a coup on the Venezuelan government in 1992 before he was the democratically elected Chavez. He did so again in 2002 to defend against his coup. He has also used the Venezuelan military at various times in roles that would be considered martial law in the United States.

    While he's not a villian, he is far from the saint he is portrayed as by some who like him because he dislikes Bush.
     
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  9. plcmts17

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    Yes, let us switch gears and talk about a leader of another country that is less of a threat than oh...say....Iran or North Korea.
    Let us deflect whatever criticism of what broad and unlimited powers we allow our leadership to have.
    Yes, I think we should worry more about how other countries use their power and not our own government.

    I like to thank those to the right of the aisle for reminding me to worry about the leaders of other countries rather than those of my own country.

    Yes, let us talk more of this Chavez man.......or maybe we could give him his own thread. Come on halfbreed. It sounds like you can enlighten us all with a thread on him.
     
  10. halfbreed

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    :rolleyes:

    I never said to worry about leaders of other countries. There are many on this board who consistently defend Hugo Chavez as a 'democratic' leader of Venezuela and he engages in far worse than this on a regular basis.

    I'm merely wondering why Hugo is a 'democratic' leader and Bush is a fascist.
     
  11. halfbreed

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    Is this also going to turn out like the "warrantless wiretapping" issue? A whole lot of fuss about "abuses of power" and no actual proof of such uses?

    As I've said before, I'm not a huge fan of much of what Bush does but the constant bashing gets old quickly. The NY Times admitted they made a mistake on the wiretapping issue and that there has been no evidence of abuses of power. I have a feeling this is the same.
     
  12. Ottomaton

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    If John Adams got cracked on for the Aliens and Seditions Act, it is fair to beat up Bush for his more flagrent violations of constitutional protections. Sir, I knew John Adams (o.k. not really) and George Bush you are no John Adams.

    Look at the way Homeland Security is now using the 'Patriot Act' to prosicute offenses unrelated to terrorism. Even on the wild chance that Bush doesn't plan to abuse these powers he is being reckless by enabling some middle manager down the line to decide that it is legal to declare martial law during political protests.

    Finally, if you really don't believe that the warrentless wiretapping is still an issue you are a fool.
     
  13. plcmts17

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    "abuses of power" like holding people in jails without them being allowed legal representation or not telling them why they are incarcerated. Or how about waterboarding and other forms of torture that are only defined by the president.
    It sounds like much ado about nothing the way you put it.

    You're no fan of bush but it's the bush bashers you bemoan. Instead of talking about what you're not a fan of, you decide to change the subject and throw out the Chavez straw man.
    Typical conservative spin. Don't talk about the issue, change the subject, throw out a bogeyman to scare people and stop them from thinking and never answer the question.

    So halfbreed. Is there really anything about bush that bothers you? And if so, why is it you never go into greater depth about it. Are you telling me you would be OK, with someone like Bill Clinton pulling this type of crap and putting so much power in the executive branch?

    I won't hold a hand on my ass, as they say, waiting for an answer. Shock me please.
     
  14. halfbreed

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    You two are quite angry and I have no idea why. I've gone in depth on NUMEROUS previous threads about what I don't like about Bush. However, since I know you're too lazy to look them up, I'll spell it out for you:

    I don't like:
    -His reckless spending
    -His poor plan for securing Iraq after the toppling of Saddam
    -His hiring of people based not on ability or experience but on personal relationships
    -His stance on the gay marriage amendment
    -His handling of the illegal immigration problem
    -His inability to admit when he's wrong
    -His stance on the torture issue (which you automatically assume I support him 100% on)

    ...should I go on?

    How about this, let's have a back and forth and we'll see who's more of an open mind when it comes to Bush. I named 7 things off the top of my head that I don't like about Bush. How about you name 5 things you think he may have a point on. (You can take your hand off your rectum now, I'm sure that's not entirely sanitary).

    Looking back on it, it seems as though you were wrong about a lot of my opinions...imagine that.

    I didn't throw out a strawman argument and I wouldn't mind if Clinton did the same thing in this situation because I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I merely wanted to get some of those who consistently defend Chavez to admit that either he's worse than they say or that Bush is better than they say.

    How about we go onto any thread started that DOESN'T bash Bush and see how many responses we get that are on point and on topic vs. how many are "strawman" arguments. I have a feeling we won't go on there and see you denouncing any of those responses. So how about you do me a favor, get off your high horse and realize that opinions exist besides your own and the best way to debate them is not to assume anything about your opponent.

    Or you can keep grabbing your ***.
     
  15. Ottomaton

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    You give yourself far too much credit. I've seen your name before, but beyond that I have no idea who you are or what you believe. Nothing personal, I've just never seen anything about you that stuck as particularly memorable. With one or two notable exceptions that is the way I view every post. My comments are in direct response to your post:

    Quite franky, I don't really care how you feel about Bush beyond the context of the specific words which you wrote. You indicate that because there is no demonstratable evidence regarding wiretaping violations, it is not an issue. You act as if that is accepted fact. I disagree on all counts. I also think your indicated line of thinking is potentially dangerous.

    By the way if you would care to elucidate exactly what "strawman arguments" I used I would be interested. That particular phrase is becoming about as overused as 'Sura faints' and 'splash'.

    In any case I think you are the one making assumptions.
     
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    There's been some degree of this going on for awhile: Starting with FDR, executives have cited the need for special powers during emergency situations. But then, when the emergency has passed (assuming it was actually an emergency in the first place, and that the assumption of new powers was actually effective in dealing with the emergency), the office keeps the powers.

    But this, to me, seems a drastic and radical rerouting of executive power. The system of the United States was designed so that there would be a constant tension between offices, and between state/federal entities. This tension was intended to keep any government authority from grabbing the power to become a threat to the populace. Now, we have a president who, UNDER THE LAW, can take state troops and use them to suppress dissent, or to suppress anything really because there's no check on this power.

    Bush-bashing, blah, blah, blah - this is bigger than Bush. He just happened to be the douchebag who signed it into law. I do believe that sort of tactic is rather typical of the Bush administration, but, like I said, this is bigger than Bush. Now, whoever holds the executive office, will have this power without any checks to prevent him/her from utilizing it as he/she sees fit. That doesn't worry you at all?

    Now, in the real world, there will hopefully be people in positions of power who will oppose the implementation of martial law - but we can't count on that.

    This, for me, is not about Bush bashing. This is about an undermining of liberties fundamental to what America is supposed to be all about. I'm not a partisan. I'm not picking sides. So, what do you think about the article?

    Or, do you think that America will last forever and that a widespread abuse of power could never happen here?

    Also, it should be noted: The P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act and the wiretapping provisions have secrecy built into them - they can be, and likely have been, used without public knowledge.
     
  17. halfbreed

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    I know I quoted your post but I really meant most of that for the other poster I quoted. My fault for not making that clear, man.

    As for your points, I'm merely saying that while I distrust government I'm not a conspiracy theorist and don't believe that the government is out to get me. I agree there is a possibility for abuse of these powers but none have been documented. With the NYT, if they had any evidence whatsoever of misuse, they would publish it.

    It's somewhat weird that both sides seem to have a built in hypocrisy about this issue. Those that are against these types of actions seem to do so on the idea that all are innocent until proven guilty and yet claim the government is guilty until proven innocent. However, I freely admit that the other side of the coin has a built in hypocrisy, as well. There really isn't a political ideology that is immune from hypocrisy. The problem is 99% of people will not admit to it.
     
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    I apologise, then, for my misunderstanding.
     
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    I agree. He isn't my favorite guy by any means. I like some of what has done, and I think is overall philosophy is one I like. His use of military as police has been a problem I have with him, I just didn't think it was martial law. His ego is beyond belief. He doesn't do enough to keep the highly educated and trained motivated to stay and help with revolution.

    I do think he has also gotten a rotten deal by the U.S.
     
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    This is just one more reason why the 17th Amendment was a bad idea. There is nothing Constitutionally that prevents the President from nationalizing the state militias, but no one with any knowledge of American history thinks that it was in the Founders' vision for the Republic. And I'm sure the 17th Amendment was seen as a great idea when it came about. If you asked the average voter right now whether they wanted to return the power to elect their Senators to their State's legislature, they'd probably see it as un-American. Yet that was the only reliable protection of Federalism. If these Senators had to answer to the States, they likely wouldn't have passed a bill that moved this much of their power to the President. We need to change the name of this country. This is just one more step toward the "United Subsidiary Districts of America".
     

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