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Falwell Plans for 'Evangelical Revolution'

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  1. thadeus

    thadeus Member

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    Scary as Purgatory.

    Falwell Plans for 'Evangelical Revolution'



    RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - Seeking to take advantage of the momentum from an election where moral values proved important to voters, the Rev. Jerry Falwell announced Tuesday he has formed a new coalition to guide an ``evangelical revolution.''

    Falwell, a religious broadcaster based in Lynchburg, Va., said the Faith and Values Coalition will be a ``21st century resurrection of the Moral Majority,'' the organization he founded in 1979.

    Falwell said he would serve as the coalition's national chairman for four years.

    He added that the new group's mission would be to lobby for anti-abortion conservatives to fill openings on the Supreme Court and lower courts, a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, and the election of another ``George Bush-type'' conservative in 2008.


    ``We all, for the first time, began to realize the potential of religious conservatives, particularly evangelicals, when something over 30 million of them went to the polls,'' he said, noting most supported the president and anti-abortion candidates, and voted to approve 11 initiatives across the country banning gay marriage.


    Also, a decision by the Massachusetts Supreme Court allowing gay marriages ``helped energize our people,'' Falwell said.


    And when San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom began performing gay marriages, it ``really caught the attention of people of faith in this country, and what we have been saying could happen actually happened,'' he said.


    ``The timing could not have been better. That, along with the abortion issues and the terrorism issue, helped us to get our people awakened.''


    While overseeing the coalition, Falwell said he would leave day-to-day operations of Liberty University and Thomas Road Baptist Church - both of which he founded - to his sons Jerry Jr., 42, and Jonathan, 38.


    Mathew Staver, founder of the conservative law group Liberty Counsel in Orlando, Fla., will be the coalition's vice chairman; Jonathan Falwell will be its executive director. Theologian Tim LaHaye will be the board chairman.


    And now (drum roll please)..The "Faith and Values Coalition"
    [...]
    Falwell said the three-fold platform of the new organization is: (1) the confirmation of pro-life, strict constructionist U.S. Supreme Court justices and other federal judges; (2) the passage of a constitutional Federal Marriage Amendment; and (3) the election of another socially- fiscally- and politically-conservative president in 2008, along with other state and national candidates.
    [...]
     
  2. IROC it

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    Ignorance causes fear, Thadeus. We don't bite. :D

    I'm no Falwell, per se... but I agree with his initiative. 30 million were just those of voting age that USED their voice. There are more and more young people understanding that they were not the victims of abortions... would not have been here had their parents been gay... and like the fair system of competitive businesses and less government hand-outs... they like to feel as though they've earned what they receive.

    The youth vote will be less and less "rocked" and more and more "redeemed" as time goes by. ;)

    Purgatory, btw, is a good ski resort I hear. :cool:
     
  3. No Worries

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    Bring it on!!!
     
  4. Oski2005

    Oski2005 Member

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    Anybody remember these lyrics?

    Turn the tables with our unity
    They neither moral nor majority
    Wake up and smell the coffee
    Or just say no to individuality


    I heard this song recently on the trailer and tv commercials for a little movie from England.
     
  5. Rashmon

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    Kind of ironic that he is headquartered in Lynchburg...
     
  6. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy
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    You're on a real roll today.
     
  7. mc mark

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    I like these better

    Whoever we are
    Wherever we’re from
    We shoulda noticed by now
    Our behavior is dumb
    And if our chances
    Expect to improve
    It’s gonna take a lot more
    Than tryin’ to remove
    The other race
    Or the other whatever
    From the face
    Of the planet altogether

    They call it the earth
    Which is a dumb kinda name
    But they named it right
    ’cause we behave the same...
    We are dumb all over
    Dumb all over,
    Yes we are
    Dumb all over,
    Near ’n far
    Dumb all over,
    Black ’n white
    People, we is not wrapped tight

    Nurds on the left
    Nurds on the right
    Religous fanatics
    On the air every night
    Sayin’ the bible
    Tells the story
    Makes the details
    Sound real gory
    ’bout what to do
    If the geeks over there
    Don’t believe in the book
    We got over here

    You can’t run a race
    Without no feet
    ’n pretty soon
    There won’t be no street
    For dummies to jog on
    Or doggies to dog on
    Religous fanatics
    Can make it be all gone
    (I mean it won’t blow up
    ’n disappear
    It’ll just look ugly
    For a thousand years...)

    You can’t run a country
    By a book of religion
    Not by a heap
    Or a lump or a smidgeon
    Of foolish rules
    Of ancient date
    Designed to make
    You all feel great
    While you fold, spindle
    And mutilate
    Those unbelievers
    From a neighboring state

    To arms! to arms!
    Hooray! that’s great
    Two legs ain’t bad
    Unless there’s a crate
    They ship the parts
    To mama in
    For souvenirs: two ears (get down!)
    Not his, not hers, (but what the hey? )
    The good book says:
    ("it gotta be that way!")
    But their book says:
    "revenge the crusades...
    With whips ’n chains
    ’n hand grenades..."
    Two arms? two arms?
    Have another and another
    Our God says:
    "there ain’t no other!"
    Our God says
    "it’s all okay!"
    Our God says
    "this is the way!"

    It says in the book:
    "burn ’n destroy...
    ’n repent, ’n redeem
    ’n revenge, ’n deploy
    ’n rumble thee forth
    To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
    ’cause they don’t go for what’s in the book
    ’n that makes ’em bad
    So verily we must choppeth them up
    And stompeth them down
    Or rent a nice french bomb
    To poof them out of existance
    While leaving their real estate just where we need it
    To use again
    For temples in which to praise our god
    ("cause he can really take care of business!")

    And when his humble tv servant
    With humble white hair
    And humble glasses
    And a nice brown suit
    And maybe a blond wife who takes phone calls
    Tells us our God says
    It’s okay to do this stuff
    Then we gotta do it,
    ’cause if we don’t do it,
    We ain’t gwine up to hebbin!
    (depending on which book you’re using at the
    Time...can’t use theirs... it don’t work
    ...it’s all lies...gotta use mine...)
    Ain’t that right?
    That’s what they say
    Every night...
    Every day...
    Hey, we can’t really be dumb
    If we’re just following god’s orders
    Hey, let’s get serious...
    God knows what he’s doin’
    He wrote this book here
    An’ the book says:
    He made us all to be just like him,"
    So...
    If we’re dumb...
    Then God is dumb...
    (an’ maybe even a little ugly on the side)

    FZ
     
  8. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Well, this does answer the president's original question: "Is our children learning?"

    Indeed.

    As to the 'Evangelical Revolution,' can someone who is happy about such a thing help me distinguish between this type of fundamentalism heading for politics and the type of fundamentalism that has headed for politics in, oh, IRAN? I'm as serious as I can get. If we don't want mulahs getting involved in Middle East politics, why do want preachers getting involved over here?

    "Cause Christians are good and Muslims are bad" won't convince me, by the way.
     
  9. SWTsig

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    exactly.

    i dont want any religion playing any part in my government.

    great question B-Bob.
     
  10. rimbaud

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    "Moral Majority"

    You call yourself the Moral Majority
    We call ourself the people in the real world
    Trying to rub us out, but we're going to survive
    God must be dead if you're alive
    You say, 'God loves you. Come and buy the Good News'
    Then you buy the president and swimming pools
    If Jesus don't save 'til we're lining your pockets
    God must be dead if you're alive

    Circus-tent con-men and Southern belle bunnies
    Milk your emotions then they steal your money
    It's the new dark ages with the fascists toting bibles
    Cheap nostalgia for the Salem Witch Trials

    Stodgy ayatollahs in their dobble-knit ties
    Burn lots of books so they can feed you their lies
    Masturbating with a flag and a bible
    God must be dead if you're alive

    Blow it out your ass, Jerry Falwell
    Blow it out your ass, Jesse Helms
    Blow it out your ass, Ronald Reagan
    What's wrong with a mind of my own?

    You don't want abortions, you want battered children
    You want to ban the pill as if that solves the problem
    Now you wanna force us to pray in school
    God must be dead if you're such a fool

    You're planning for a war with or without Iran
    Building a police state with the Klu Klux Klan
    Pissed at your neighbour? Don't bother to nag
    Pick up the phone and turn in a ***

    Blow it out your ass, Terry Dolan
    Blow it out your ass, Phyllis Schlafly
    Ram it up your ****, Anita
    Cos God must be dead
    If you're alive
    God must be dead
    If you're alive
     
  11. thadeus

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    Hell yes! Dead Kennedys - I grew up listening to them.
     
  12. solid

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    Why don't evangelicals have as much right as any group to organize and have their voice heard. You think evangelicals have the only agenda? There are endless voting blocks in this nation, it's called democracy. Stop griping, reciting vulgar poetry or song lyrics and get into the mix. Bitterness never got anyone anywhere. Work, organize, and contribute to the special interest of your choice. Whining accomplishes nothing.
     
  13. GreenVegan76

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    The marriage of evangelicals and traditional conservatives is an interesting one:

    Evangelicals want to strip rights and make the White House a church, and traditional conservatives want to preserve rights and keep religion out of the White House.

    Strange bedfellows, indeed.
     
  14. Hippieloser

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    If you're not going to find a song that expresses your opinion, we're not going to bother reading. ;)
     
  15. solid

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    "sung as a rap"

    am thinking ya being selective
    not eclective and am here
    to be corrective
    cause ya don't see
    da picture
    too much stricture
    but hear me out
    tellya wha'it bout
    ya can't pout
    but get out
    lead the way
    give all ya hay
    then I can say
    ya brung a new
    day!

    Will there be anything else, sir?
     
  16. RocketManJosh

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    IMPOSSIBLE ... a Religion is nothing more than a belief set. Everyone has a belief set and thus more or less has a religion even if it is not an organized religion. A politician must utilize his/her beliefs to make every day decisions on how to vote and what to do. There is no way around it. Regardless of what religion or beliefs a person has, they ARE going to use those in making decisions.
     
  17. M&M

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    Religion can also be defined as a basic set of habits, or a habitual set of guidelines that effect everyday decision making. Businessmen are said to read Wall Street Journal "religiously" for example. I hear your sentiment, B-Bob. I just find that RocketManJosh has a firmer grip on just what it is to be "religious." It seems the problem here is more with the religion that "evangelicals" choose and less with the thought of religion. This makes the "Christians are better than Muslims" thing you bring up seem suspect to your own prejudged idea on Christians, and thus it why you predetermine to deny its validity. I find that fascinating. If it were a stateside cleric or monk would it alarm you so? I further believe that this call for "ER" is issued to those already claiming to be evangelicals, and not to other groups. This is not alarming rhetoric in a country founded originally in basic Christian practices anymore than the mullah's speeches in Iran.
     
  18. BMoney

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    Call him Mullah Fallwell.
     
  19. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    So the resounding answer is: we should not criticize mullahs in Iran or Iraq anymore. This is consistent, and I am okay with that. Thank you. Onward to theocracy.
     
  20. waran007

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    Another fiscally and politically conservative president? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last president we had like that was Reagan, not our current president. In my opinion, the president has alot more in common with pre-1968 Democrats, than he does with fiscally and politically conservative Republicans. He is morally conservative, but so were those democrats.
     

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