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F** F*** Brings down the house in Cannes with Bush bash film

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Faos, May 17, 2004.

  1. Faos

    Faos Member

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    I figure some of you guys have already bought your tickets for this biased propaganda film.


    20 mins standing ovation for 'FAHRENHEIT 9-11'

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    "This is the longest stading ovation in the history of the festival," declared Cannes stalwart Terry Farmose. Moore, raising fist, unable to speak over crowd, vows to fight... Controversial scene in film shows wounded American GI talking about how Democrats must win election... Movie shows video of American soldiers laughing and taking pictures as they place hoods over Iraqi detainees, with one of them grabbing a prisoner's genitals through a blanket...
     
  2. GreenVegan76

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    Personally, I cannot wait to see this movie.
     
  3. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    Faos, do you have a link?
     
  4. rimrocker

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    May 17, 2004
    A Film to Polarize Along Party Lines
    By JIM RUTENBERG, NYTimes

    The Michael Moore documentary the Walt Disney Company deemed too partisan to distribute offers few new revelations about the connections between President Bush and prominent Saudi Arabian families, including that of Osama bin Laden.

    But this film, "Fahrenheit 9/11," which is scheduled to make its debut today at the Cannes International Film Festival, contains stark images of civilian casualties and disillusioned soldiers from the Iraq war zone that have rarely, if ever, been shown on American television. And the muckracking craft evident in this nearly two-hour attack on President Bush's tenure in the White House is likely to have a galvanizing effect among both conservatives and liberals should the film be widely distributed this summer.

    A reporter for The New York Times was invited to a screening of the film last week. "Fahrenheit 9/11" focuses on longstanding ties between the Bush family, its associates and prominent Saudis and on whether those ties clouded the president's judgment in recognizing warning signs before the Sept. 11 attacks and hampered his response afterward.

    Mr. Moore extends his critique of the president to his conduct of the war in Iraq, arguing that the war is victimizing not only Iraqis but also the lower-income enlisted Americans who are fighting in it. In addition he attempts to make a case that the government's terrorism alerts at home are being used to repeal some civil liberties.

    These are the subjects that have made "Fahrenheit 9/11" such a political hot potato. Icon Productions, Mel Gibson's company and the original primary investor in the film, backed out last spring, and Miramax Films, a Disney division run by Harvey and Bob Weinstein, stepped in.

    Although Disney executives said they made clear last May that Disney would not allow Miramax to distribute the film, it was only recently that the Weinsteins became convinced they would not be able to budge their corporate masters. Two weeks ago Mr. Moore, who won an Oscar for his documentary "Bowling for Columbine," went public to protest Disney's actions. "Some people may be afraid of this movie because of what it will show," he said at the time. (Last week, Disney agreed to sell the movie to the Weinsteins, who can arrange for its distribution in North America, though not under the Miramax name.)

    But Republicans predict many viewers will discount the film as an anti-Bush screed, and that it will ultimately have no effect on the election. Democrats say they hope it will feed growing discontent in the United States with Mr. Bush's Iraq policy and help the campaign of Senator John Kerry, his presumptive Democratic challenger.

    Mr. Moore is confident it will sway votes against Mr. Bush, though he notes the film, into which he also has tried to inject a good dose of humor, is likewise critical of Democrats for not posing any significant opposition to Mr. Bush after Sept. 11. Mr. Moore said he was considering making at least one sequence from the film available to the news media today after he presents it at the Cannes film festival: that of American soldiers laughing and taking pictures as they place hoods over Iraqi detainees, with one of them touching a prisoner's genitals through a blanket.

    Mr. Moore and his production team said they also believed the film would get attention for showing that a name excised from one of Mr. Bush's National Guard records was that of an investment counselor for one of Osama bin Laden's brothers, Salem.

    In a copy of the record released by the National Guard in 2000, the man in question, James R. Bath, was listed as being suspended from flying for the National Guard in 1972 for failing to take a medical exam next to a similar listing for Mr. Bush. It has been widely reported that the two were friends and that Mr. Bath invested in Mr. Bush's first major business venture, Arbusto Energy, in the late 1970's after Mr. Bath began working for Salem bin Laden.

    Mr. Bath and the White House have said that the money he invested in Mr. Bush's company was his, not that of Mr. bin Laden. The White House said Friday that Mr. Bath's name was expunged from the record it released in February only to protect his privacy and should have been in 2000, as well.

    That is one of several connections Mr. Moore highlights in the film between Mr. Bush, his family and associates and Saudi Arabia. Fifteen of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers were Saudis, as is Osama bin Laden. As White House officials noted last week, however, many of these connections have been made elsewhere, most recently in "House of Bush, House of Saud," by Craig Unger (Scribner, 2004).

    But writ large on the big screen with Mr. Moore's narration and set to music, the connections could still prove revelatory to those who have not paid close attention to reports about Saudi Arabia's connections to Mr. Bush and his associates. At the screening last week audience members — including people featured in the film like the mother of a serviceman killed in Iraq and a soldier unwilling to return — exclaimed loudly when Mr. Moore's narration spelled them out.

    In one connection the film notes that Mr. Bush's father, George H. W. Bush, worked as a senior adviser to the Carlyle Group, a private investment company with various ties to Saudi Arabia and even, for some years, to the family of Osama bin Laden.

    "My point is first of all that the Bushes were so close to the Saudis that they essentially had turned a blind eye to what was really going on before 9/11," Mr. Moore said in an interview. "And after 9/11 they were in denial."

    More specifically the movie implies that the Saudi connections explain why the United States facilitated the departure of dozens of Saudi nationals from the country — including relatives of Osama bin Laden — shortly after the attacks, and charges they were not properly questioned. But like other points in the film, critics will certainly argue with that assertion, and may not have to go far to seek ammunition. The independent panel investigating the Sept. 11 attacks recently reported that it believed that the evacuation was handled properly. And the family of Osama bin Laden disowned him in the 1990's and says that it has no relationship with him anymore.

    Adel al-Jubeir, foreign policy adviser to Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, said that any ties between Mr. Bush and his associates and prominent Saudi Arabians should not be considered odd. "Look at any Texas family that's involved in the oil or oil services, and you will find they have a lot of connections to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf," he said, referring to assertions that the connections add up to anything more than that as nonsense.

    After hearing a description of the some of the connections made in the film, Dan Bartlett, the White House communications director, said, "It's so outrageously false, it's not even worth comment."

    Mr. Bartlett also said he had no comment on the sections of the film that address the war in Iraq, which include gruesome images of violence, like a man angrily holding up an infant's charred corpse after an American attack and the exposed bone of a shrapnel-infused leg.

    Jim Dyke, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee, said he believed there was no need to prepare a public challenge to the film's validity upon its release. "People are smart enough to know that this is someone who is very angry, who has for some time had a clearly partisan agenda," he said.

    Just the same, Democratic operatives said they believed viewers' opinions of Mr. Moore would not matter if his film raised new or even old questions about Mr. Bush.
     
  5. rimrocker

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    Director Moore Launches Anti-Bush Tirade at Cannes

    Mon May 17, 6:41 AM ET Add Entertainment - Reuters to My Yahoo!


    By Paul Majendie

    CANNES, France (Reuters) - American film-maker Michael Moore (news)'s "Fahrenheit 9/11," a savage critique of President Bush (news - web sites)'s handling of Iraq (news - web sites) and the war on terror, was warmly applauded by critics at its first press showing on Monday.

    The fast-paced film by Oscar-winning Moore is a telling work of propaganda by a moviemaker whose zeal to deride Bush exudes from every frame.


    Two years ago, the director's anti-gun lobby documentary "Bowling for Columbine" grabbed the headlines at Cannes and then went on to gross $120 million worldwide and win him an Oscar.


    Fahrenheit 9/11 has already whipped up an international media storm after the Walt Disney Co barred its Miramax film unit from releasing such a politically polarizing work in a U.S. election year.


    The film focuses on how Americans and the White House responded to the Sept. 11, 2001 hijacking attacks and traces links between the Bush family and prominent Saudis, including the family of Osama bin Laden (news - web sites).


    The screen goes dark. The sound is of planes crashing into the Twin Towers before the grief of the victims is contrasted with Bush sitting, apparently impassively, in a Florida schoolroom for nine minutes after the news was broken to him.


    Moore uses a pop soundtrack to mocking effect.


    As shots are shown of members of the bin Laden family being hastily flown out of the United States after September 11, up surges the song: "I gotta get out of this place."


    He shows gum-chewing pop star Britney Spears (news) supporting the president. Outside the White House, a woman doubles up in grief, sobbing uncontrollably over the death of her son in Iraq.


    In the light of the current controversy over pictures of Iraqi prisoners being abused, the film is bang up-to-date, showing film of American soldiers mocking the dead and posing with hooded Iraqi detainees.


    Sarcastic humor abounds. Moore even shows a clip of Bush shouting at him: "Behave yourself will you. Go find real work."


    In Washington, Moore goes on a bizarre recruiting drive.


    He stops Congressmen in the street and asks "There's not that many Congressmen that have got kids over there (in Iraq) ... in fact only one. Maybe you guys should send your kids there first."


    "What do you think about that idea?" he asks before getting the brush-off.


    From the front-room of a grieving family, he switches to big businesses looking for contracts in Iraq.


    An executive working for an armored vehicles company tells him: "Unfortunately, at least for the near term, we think it is going to be a good situation ... good for business, bad for the people."


    But the film is most effective when focusing on raw emotion.


    The camera pans in on a grieving mother, her voice cracking as she reads out the last letter she received from her son before he was killed in Iraq.

    Telling how she collapsed on hearing the news over the phone, she said: "Your flesh just aches. You're just not supposed to bury your own son."
     
  6. Faos

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    Btw, F** F*** stands for Fun Film, of course.
     
  7. Faos

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    Holy ****!

    This I didn't know. I may have to vote for Kerry after all.


    dammit.

    :(
     
  8. ima_drummer2k

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    Man, that guy sure is fat. :eek:
     
  9. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Member

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    Seems like you have a serious problem with the truth, Faos.
     
  10. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    This guy is the best campaigner for Bush on this planet. I love it!
     
  11. RocketMan Tex

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    In your dreams. Again. :D
     
  12. twhy77

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    Honestly Jorge has a point here; if I were a Dem. , the last thing I would want to portray is anger and hate through a (probably) slanted film.
     
  13. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    He is not telling "The Truth" he is using small snippets to tell a story of what "HE" wants you to see.

    MM is a talented director, but he is far too political.

    You can tell any story easily with EDIT !!

    DD
     
  14. ROXTXIA

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    I like what Moore is saying in his films, I just don't always like the self-aggrandizing way it comes across. In "Bowling for Columbine" I could have slapped him for the woe-is-me music he used as soundtrack for the welfare-to-work segment, or how he kept looking at the camera and saying "wow, wow" when the K-mart spokesperson read to the media how that company was suspending sales of ammunition. A good thing, yes; don't look at the camera and say wow wow as if to heighten the sense of drams. We get it.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    And the best campaigner for Kerry is....Bush!
     
  16. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    LOL!!! Actually, this in an indictment of the campaigning ability of Forbes Kerry. We've known that the liberals have no message or candidate for a long time now...

    ZOMBIE
     
  17. No Worries

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    Neither is really needed as GWB has aptly proven.
     
  18. RocketMan Tex

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    Exactly. When the truth about the "liberation" of Iraq comes out, David Duke will be beating Dubya in the polls.
     
  19. SamFisher

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    Nor do we need one with Bush's poll numbers!

    DOA
     
  20. ROXRAN

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    The sad thing (for you guys) according to many articles is the Bush really hasn't lost any ground to Forbes Kerry...:)
     

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