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Exxon Offered $10k to Scientists to Debunk U.N. Global Warming Report

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by hotballa, Feb 2, 2007.

  1. hotballa

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    http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/02/news/companies/exxon_science/index.htm?cnn=yes

     
  2. SLrocket

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    george bush is just the oil companies' tool. he promotes all this alternative energy while in the background hes pushing for huge SUVs and pickups. because his family is int he oil business and partly because hes a redneck. rednecks have a fascination with burning things uncontrollably dont they?
     
  3. halfbreed

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    Yeah and I'm sure no environmentalist organization ever offered money to prove global warming is true.

    Honestly in the scientific community if you don't accept the party line that global warming is a completely man-made phenomenon you're ostracized and blacklisted. Scientists should be allowed and encourgaed to check each other's work.

    I don't blame Exxon for this at all. I'd bet large amounts of money that the same thing happens on the other side all the time but of course that wouldn't be a conflict of interest, right?

    Also, can we stop with the bold lie of a headline? Exxon is not offering this money. An organization funded by Exxon is offering this money. I know it's hard to read the article and all but come on.
     
  4. ShakeYoHipsYao

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    "an organization funded by Exxon" = Exxon

    Also, scientists don't have a financial stake in the outcome of the question of global warming (unless they work for Exxon). Exxon does.
     
  5. hotballa

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    Exxon gave them $240,000 in 2004 and 2005. That's more than $10,000
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    Link? I know people who work in the field and from my experience, as well the way other scientific groups that is absolutely not true.

    If a scientist says they believe something against the current way of thinking according to the scientific community, they aren't black listed. People take note, and ask for scientific studies and findings. If the person finds them, and they are legit the person who bucked the system is then seen with great esteem.

    So if you are going to charge that there is a conspiracy among scientists to continue to push an agenda against the scientific principles that they trained in, studied, and have worked so long to uphold, then please provide more than just your belief that it is so, as support.
     
  7. rimrocker

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    The only people who even remotely experience anything like blacklisting are the ones who do take the offers like the one offered by Exxon/AEI, don't look at the facts as objectively as possible, don't submit peer-reviewed papers, publish in organs financed by groups like Exxon/AEI, and do not voice protest when their findings are either used or twisted to make a political point not supported by the bulk of peer-reviewed science.

    In short, if you do things in a way that is anathema to your profession, don't be surprised if they don't invite you to conferences.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    You know I'd respect the global warming denial people a lot more if they'd stop hiding behnd pretend scientific doubts and just admit that they don't give a flying f-ck about the environment.
     
  9. halfbreed

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    Exxon's funding accounts for about 1% of AEI's funding. If 1% equals runs the organization, then someone must have changed the definition on me.

    Secondly, to people such as SamFisher, you feel free to believe what you want. I personally couldn't care less about what you think my intentions are.

    FB, your sarcasm notwithstanding you know that global warming is a different issue than most others in the scientific community. When was the last time a global warming seminar gave a voice to anyone who didn't accept 100% the claim that global warming is entirely man made.

    Also, nobody has talked about the fact that none of you complain when environmental agencies commission reports on the environment and their obvious conflict of interest. But that's OK because it corresponds with your beliefs, much like the whole Nancy Pelosi and minimum wage favors for her district.

    Here's a link to a Sullivan post producing an internal AEI e-mail about the whole issue:

    http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2007/02/in_defense_of_a.html

     
  10. hotballa

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    When you take a look at who teh vice chair of their trustee board is, it becomes very believeable that Exxon has other conenctions to AEI other than just that reported, official 1% contribution.
     
  11. halfbreed

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    I forgot that when I come here I have to assume the worst about Exxon if I'm going to fit in.

    Whichever way you slice it your title to this thread is a deliberate mischaracterization of what happened.
     
  12. thegary

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    it is irrelevent the percentage of which we are responsible, we shouldn't contrbute at all. are you saying it's possible that we have had no effect at all or that there is no danger in global warming?
     
  13. hotballa

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    Companies that gouge their customers to the tune of 10 billion profit a quarter during a major catastrophe like Katrina deserve nothing but the worst assumptions. Those same companies who then wind up with humongous tax breaks because of their lobbying of the president that they bought and paid for also deserve our contempt.
     
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    Absolutely hilarious..... Here we have an individual committed to defending a corporation which puts profit ahead of the environment in which he lives. Even more amazing, he is attacking the very community which seeks to find out the truth and possibly help save the damn planet from catastrophe. Then he tries to claim that the scientific community is somehow politically driven. Sorry, but the fact that the scientific community may appear "liberal" to you is not driven by political ideology, rather it is a testament to the repudiation of extreme idiocy and greed (a deadly combination).

    Idiocy is constantly reaching new heights.
     
  15. halfbreed

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    Thanks for your input.
     
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    We live in a capitalist society. Companies are supposed to make profits. What did Katrina have to do with anything that happened anywhere else in the country?

    Perhaps we should be upset at all grocers for selling items at a profit during Katrina also.
     
  17. halfbreed

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    I never said that. My position is that we should do everything we can to lessen our impact on global warming without putting the economies of all countries (including developing countries) at risk. I also feel the whole global warming panic is blown way out of proportion. Nobody is going to die. The Earth warms and cools. It's done it in the past and any contribution we have to it isn't going to result in catastrophe. It's got to be the greatest gig to be a climatologist. You can predict all the doom and gloom you want and when it doesn't come you can say that your report had a positive effect on it.

    It's pretty selfish of a lot of you to tell people in developing countries that they shouldn't be trying to make more money because you want there to be 3% more green trees..
     
  18. SWTsig

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    and there it is.
     
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    are you slow? if you dont think exxon profits GREATLY from funding these voodoo "scientific" reports and organizations, and that trying to debunk global warming is clearly in their best interest.... i'm gonna have to assume that you are.
     
  20. halfbreed

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    Hooray for name calling!

    I didn't say it wasn't in Exxon's interest. What I did say was that giving this thread the title of Exxon Offered 10K to Debunk Report is a mischaracterization. A deliberate one at that.

    I would have no problem with this thread being called "Exxon-Funded Organization donates..." even though it tends to overplay the significance of the amount Exxon gives to this organization.
     

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