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Every Single Commanding Officer of Kerry Says He is UNFIT TO LEAD

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  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Shocking developments...

    Kerry 'Unfit to be Commander-in-Chief', Say Former Military Colleagues
    By Marc Morano
    CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
    May 03, 2004

    (CNSNews.com) - Hundreds of former commanders and military colleagues of presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry are set to declare in a signed letter that he is "unfit to be commander-in-chief." They will do so at a press conference in Washington on Tuesday.

    "What is going to happen on Tuesday is an event that is really historical in dimension," John O'Neill, a Vietnam veteran who served in the Navy as a PCF (Patrol Craft Fast) boat commander, told CNSNews.com . The event, which is expected to draw about 25 of the letter-signers, is being organized by a newly formed group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

    "We have 19 of 23 officers who served with [Kerry]. We have every commanding officer he ever had in Vietnam. They all signed a letter that says he is unfit to be commander-in-chief," O'Neill said.

    O'Neill, currently a Houston, Texas, based attorney, is no stranger to Kerry. O'Neill served in the same naval unit as Kerry and commanded Kerry's swift boat after Kerry returned to the United States. Kerry's command of the PCF boat lasted four months and ended shortly after he received his third Purple Heart. According to naval regulations at the time, any sailor who received three Purple Hearts could request a transfer out of the combat zone.

    Kerry and O'Neill engaged in a nationally televised debate in 1971 on The Dick Cavett Show over Kerry's allegations that many Vietnam soldiers had routinely engaged in atrocities such as raping and cutting off ears and heads of Vietnamese soldiers and citizens. Kerry was the then spokesman for the anti-war group Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

    "We are going to be presenting a letter that deals with Kerry's unfitness to be commander and chief that has been signed by hundreds of swift boat sailors, including most of those who served with Kerry," O'Neill explained.

    "The ranks of the people signing [the letter] range from admiral down to seaman, and they run across the entire spectrum of politics, specialties, and political feelings about the Vietnam War," he added.

    Among those scheduled to attend the event at the National Press Club and declare Kerry unfit for the role of commander-in-chief are retired Naval Rear Admiral Roy Hoffman, who was the commander of the Navy Coastal Surveillance Force, which included the swift boats on which Kerry served.

    Also scheduled to be present at the event is Kerry's former commanding officer, Lt. Commander Grant Hibbard. Hibbard recently questioned whether Kerry deserved the first of his three Purple Hearts that he received in Vietnam. Hibbard doubted both the severity of the wound and whether it resulted from enemy fire.

    "I've had thorns from a rose that were worse" than Kerry's wound for which he received a Purple Heart, Hibbard told the Boston Globe in April.

    Organizers are confident that Tuesday's event and the letter with hundreds of signatures will educate people about Kerry.

    "It is one of the largest outpourings of concern about him being commander-in-chief that anybody could have in a presidential campaign and it is by the people who know him best," O'Neill said.

    'Unfit Commander-in-Chief'

    Swift Boat Veterans For Truth maintains that Kerry's fellow Vietnam veterans are almost uniform in their disdain for his military service and anti-war protests.

    "Not only a majority of the people who served with him feel that way, but a vast and overwhelming majority," O'Neill said. He added that more than "ninety percent of the people contacted by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth responded to the request to sign their name, with only 12 declining to sign.

    "Comrades who actually served with him, almost all of them, are opposed to him, and believe he would be an unfit commander in chief and intend to bring the truth of his actual record to the attention of the American people," O'Neill said.

    O'Neill hopes the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth can reveal to the American people what he sees as Kerry's flawed character.

    "In the military, loyalty between commanders and the troops serving them is a two-way street. We have here a guy (Kerry) that with all of us in the field [in Vietnam] -- actually fighting the North Vietnamese -- came home and then falsely accused all of us of war crimes at a time when the people in uniform couldn't even respond," O'Neill said.

    "And he did that knowing that was a lie," he added.

    'Real John Kerry'

    B. G. Burkett, author of the book Stolen Valor and a military researcher, believes that Tuesday's event will not be dismissed easily by Kerry's campaign as a "partisan" attack.

    "There are probably just as many Democrats amongst sailors who sailed swift boats as there are Republicans. What Kerry fails to realize is this has nothing to do with politics -- this has to with Vietnam Veterans who served, who have a beef with John Kerry's service, both during and after the war," Burkett told CNSNews.com.

    "The American people do not know John Kerry and hopefully the swift boat crews and other Vietnam veterans will make sure that the American public knows the real John Kerry," he added.

    Jim Loftus of Kerry's press office referred questions about Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's event on Tuesday to spokesman David Wade. Wade did not return CNSNews.com's requests for comment.
     
  2. Cohen

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    Amusing that so many would be angrier at someone who served, but didn't serve to their satisfaction, over someone who used their family ties to avoid serving.

    That said, I'm more interested in any material issues they can raise about Kerry than their opinions of someone who may have pissed them off when we spoke out vehemently against the war after he returned.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    Well said.
     
  4. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Cohen, this isn't a comparison of Bush and Forbes Kerry's records of service. This is an insight into the character of Forbes Kerry. This is a vivid description of the man's leadership abilities. We have seen the steady hand of Bush in action, and the people agree that he is a good leader. Forbes Kerry has made is 'heroism' in Vietnam the centerpiece of his campaign. These military veterans who served alongside him think that he is unfit to lead. This is very damaging to Forbes Kerry.
     
  5. Chump

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    nobody with the middle names Forbes should ever be allowed to serve in any postion of power
     
  6. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Well, it beats the heck out of the middle name "_"
     
  7. rimrocker

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    I feel the same way about "Walker."
     
  8. Deckard

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    A new acronym for Trader_J... "_"
     
  9. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    I should take this opportunity to say that the middle name "-" clearly rises above the lowly middle name "_".
     
  10. Deckard

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    I think we should keep the lower "_"
    Fits much better.
     
  11. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    It's really no surprise that you KFL's don't want to touch the subject matter here. It really supports what I've been saying all along:

    1) Forbes Kerry went to Vietnam as a calculated political move
    2) Forbes Kerry put himself up for Purple Hearts on the basis of minor 'wounds'
    3) Forbes Kerry's service as described by his superiors was not valient
    4) Forbes Kerry left Vietnam on a technicality as soon as he possibly could
    5) Forbes Kerry propagated lies upon his return and did his best to damage morale of the troops and erode support for the war
     
  12. Behad

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    Remind me again how long ago the Vietnam war was?

    While we're bringing up the past, let's talk about Bush's past as well...
     
  13. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Behad, John Forbes Kerry has defined himself by his actions both during and after the Vietnam War. It is the centerpiece of his campaign. What we are now learning is how his actions were perceived by his fellow troops. We already knew he was an anti-war nut job who was willing to disgrace America by throwing his medals at the Capitol. It's an issue of character and integrity, and Forbes Kerry has neither.
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    Actually read the records abotu what his superiors said. If later they don't want him to be commander in chief, they are entitled to their opinions, but nothing degrades his service during the war.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    Jorge, can you break character for a second and tell us why you do this?

    Is it for your own amusement or do you truly believe you are serving a greater cause?
     
  16. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Yes, as to the "subject" at hand, (yawn), if any of his many wartime leaders now reverse their glowing positive written comments, they should be courtmarshalled for lying to their commanding officers.

    How does the refrain go from republicans? ... Ah yes, everybody sing along now:

    "These people are clearly un-American partisans, have been coached by the opposing party, and their comments are meaningless."

    Sorry, _, but Rove will have to try harder.
     
  17. Rocket Fan

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    From the Wesley Clark thread..

    andymoon - "Who is better to comment on Kerry's military service than a retired general? That is aside from, of course, Kerry's commanding officers and the men he fought with. "


    Should we care what his commanding officers say or not?
     
  18. Rocket Fan

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    I really try to stay out of this because I respect people with military service, but it is just annoying that almost every time someone brings up something about kerrys service it is just answered with "gw didn't fight"... and not a defense of kerry
     
  19. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Should we care what they say now, or what they said at the time? Should we care whom they're voting for or why they'd change their tune completely? Should anybody be insulting anyone's receiving a medal they received for duty in live combat?

    Yours is a good question, and so are mine.
     
  20. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    B-Bob, a response:

    1. Now

    2. See below
    Please direct your attention to the words: entire spectrum of politics.

    3. Yes, when that same medal is hurled at the United States Capitol, all bets are off.
     

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