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Even the NSA has no idea what it is collecting, but it sends it to Israel anyways.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Northside Storm, Sep 11, 2013.

  1. Northside Storm

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    Seriously, you cannot make this s**t up.

    I have a bit of sympathy with how unruly big data can get, but to just send it off in raw form with minimal checks and balances is possibly one of the dumbest arrangements ever.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents

    The key paragraph:

    :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

    "oh by the way guys, if you find that secret call from Obama to Gaddafi we sent in our mass data dump, (we can't seem to find it, who knows where that's gone), can you kindly disregard and remove it from the record? But like, private American data other than that is cool."
     
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  2. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Member

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    THE ISRAELIS ARE READING MY FACSIMILES?????
     
  3. Raven

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    We need a federal law severely restricting what info our Government can give foreign nations.
     
  4. magnetik

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    They give everything to GCHQ in the UK too.
     
  5. Space Ghost

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    lol love it! All the liberals and their big government mentality are finally getting the scope of what our government can and will do.
     
  6. Northside Storm

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    I don't think it was ever a question that the definition of an American liberal would be strongly against violations of civil liberties.

     
  7. Northside Storm

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    they know your banking, and health information too brah

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security

     
  8. Space Ghost

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    No, it was when you were duped into believing there would be hope and change. When Bush was painted a warmongler and traitor and Obama would be our savior.
    Yes, I already know your argument; What does this have to do with Obama? It has nothing to do with Obama and it has everything to do with Americans so divided on everything. Its a belief that both sides really think their party is better than the other. While 80% of the Americans are bickering and fighting over ignorance, our politicians on both sides are screwing everyone.
     
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  9. BigBenito

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    So, anyone else want to point out that that isn't actually the real memorandum?
     
  11. bigtexxx

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    lol pwn3d

    Northside?
     
  12. DudeWah

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    I wonder if people in other countries are pissed the United States has basically all of their information.
     
  13. bigtexxx

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    hat tip to Fred Thompson's twitter..
     
  14. Northside Storm

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    the only thing that keeps me going on this is that a Romney presidency would probably be worse, and America would be out of a reasonable Fed chairman and probable Supreme Court justice to boot. but of course, the president will appoint Summers and prove me wrong.

    er, besides that, I think a lot of liberals on this forum have made it quite clear they are very disappointed with the Obama Administration on this issue, so don't really know what you are driving at to be frank.
     
  15. Northside Storm

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    Elaborate?

    as opposed to the tons of fake documents Snowden is handing out. you know the kind that gets the federal government to re-route planes and somesuch

    The article has a link to the memorandum, if you want to peruse it yourself.
     
  16. Refman

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    Yep...you might want to stop sending anti-Semitic faxes. ;)
     
  17. Brandyon

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    So far, we know that the NSA:

    -Pays telecommunications providers between $278,000,000-$394,000,000 each year to provide access to all US fiber and cellular networks. Link

    -Put backdoors into critical software, and broke the crypto on private communications. Link

    -"Persuaded" James Clapper to lie under oath, on camera, to Congress in order to hide the domestic spying programs. Link

    -Allowed NSA employees to spy on love interests by having them on the "honor system" as regulation. All of which were given a pass for this FELONY. Link

    -Lied to us only weeks ago by saying that said surveillance was never used for economic espionage. Link

    -Made over 15,000 false certifications to FISA court to hide the fact that 90% of their searches were illegal. Link Link

    -And now shown to have sent collected data on US Supreme Court Justices and elected officials to Israel. Link


    What blows me away though... is that despite all this. What matters to the people in this forum is making liberals or conservatives eat crow. It's amazing how often logic and reason are abandoned during these "debates" in favor of "well that's on you for voting for (Insert Party/Coporate lackey here)."

    But please, continue the cycle of "I have no need for personal accountability, and will ignore any mention of it, because I'm right and you're wrong." Self serving bull****.
     
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  18. Kojirou

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    Yeah, there's a link to a memorandum which details an agreement between the US and Israeli regarding intelligence sharing...except that the United States never signed this memorandum. Look at the bottom. There's an Israeli signature, but not an American one. Aka, this is a proposed memorandum by the Israelis, this is not the final draft.
     
  19. madmonkey37

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    Also, the document is somehow dated March 2009 according to the Guardian (there's no actual date on the document), but the rules were apparently tightened in July 2009 in response to a Justice Department review of the wire tapping program that revealed that the NSA was improperly acquiring large amounts of data from Americans in addition to other abuses. The Guardian states that the deal this document outlines was only reached in principle in March 2009 and they later report that the Justice Department submitted new procedures in July 2009, so there's a good chance this isn't the final draft.

    This article is mostly speculation based on one sentence form a document with questionable relevance.
     
  20. Northside Storm

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    The proposed memorandum clearly states that the United States sends Israel raw unminimalized data, and previous documents indicate how the United States intelligence services themselves seem to realize they a) don't know exactly what they're sending, and b) often send more then they intend, which is the blunt of the article, and the main source of controversy.

    If anything, this memorandum seeks to put SOME constraints on what Israel can do, so it not being signed is actually MORE worrying. Is there some pending top secret version that gives American privacy data better protection? Maybe. Too bad the American people will, as always, probably never know. But yeah, let's give an agency that opens backdoors to medical and banking information that can be exploited by criminals the benefit of the doubt.
     

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