1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Evaluating Terrence Morris.. again

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by TeXaSalsa, Mar 12, 2001.

  1. TeXaSalsa

    TeXaSalsa Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2000
    Messages:
    668
    Likes Received:
    0
    ok
    this is before the NCCA tournament

    final season averages

    12.8 ppg- disapointing in some ways. but.. u have to remember he really became the 3rd option behind baxter and dixon. he still can score. he has a good shot and decent post up game. going to hoop is strong spot still. he must become more aggressive

    7.7 RB per game- excellent.. hes a SF too. great height at 6'9. he is long n rangy. excellent RB

    2.3 Blocks per game-excellent.. he plays good D. ive seen him play. he doesnt leave his feet alot. he really does play pretty good D.

    steals/assists- average to below average.. assists r ok.. 2.0 for SF is ok... not enough tho

    basically maryland had an up n down season. ive seen him play w/ fire. he really needs the ball more though. dixon can be a ballhog at times.

    he can post up ok... he has a good shot.. he is a well rounded player i'd take a chance on. if SA leaves we have no1 at the SF. i cant take another season of walt starting

    not sure he is worth a lottery pick. milwaukees pick yes. he needs a good tournament immensely. if he does poorly he could fall out of the first round.

    overall i like morris alot. i just think he needs to be in the right situation w/ the right coach. being steve francis' friend doesnt hurt either..

    other notable stats

    80% free throw shooter-very good
    44% from field- not so great. average
    about a steal a game- ok
    28% 3 pt shooter- needs improvement. he used to be much better

    ------------------
    --TEX
     
  2. JayZ750

    JayZ750 Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2000
    Messages:
    25,432
    Likes Received:
    13,390
    In my opinion,
    Terrence Morris still sucks. His amazing lack of aggression will certainly harm him in the NBA. Look at last years draft. Why dont we see any supremely talented players? Not because the talent wasnt there, but because the mental drive wasnt there, and this still haunts Morris.

    If I had to take a project player I would definitely go with Brendan Haywood first.

    Plus, the fact that he is Steve Francis' friend is a negative in my book.

    But thats just my opinion.

    ------------------
     
  3. Puedlfor

    Puedlfor Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2000
    Messages:
    5,973
    Likes Received:
    21
    Brendan Haywood isn't a project, he's Michael Olowakandi with less range, slower footwork, and less effort. I'm not sure those three things are possible, but he's pretty close.

    I'd take Morris, he'd be a good complementary pick. His game has stagnated since his sophomore year(the last year he played with Francis, BTW), but he's still a long-armed, tall, SF with good defensive instincts.

    And I don't see how being Francis' friend is a negative, I'd think of it as a positive. We'd have almost instant chemisty.

    Also, last year's draft hasn't produced any stars because the overwhelming majority of picks were picked based on potential. Players like Darius Miles, Mike Miller and Stromile Swift will end up being very good players.

    ------------------
    The Rockets will be the NBA champions. Believe.
     
  4. JayZ750

    JayZ750 Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2000
    Messages:
    25,432
    Likes Received:
    13,390
    I just feel someone being a friend can lead to a lot of chemistry problems as well as organizational problems. What if we ever decide to trade him or dont want to sign someone after they're a free agent. Plus, on the court it has both negative and positive affects. Sure, there might be chemistry between the two of them, but how will that harm the chemistry amongst the rest of the team.

    Brendan Haywood isnt that bad though. If someone could teach him some offensive moves he would be a decent center in my opinion.

    Perhaps I just have my blinders on though, cause i am really dissapointed by Morris on a collegiate level...he cant even be the leader on his own team.

    ------------------
     
  5. NIKEstrad

    NIKEstrad Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2000
    Messages:
    10,214
    Likes Received:
    4,173
    If we were the Bulls, or if Morris was a point guard, that's one thing. But do we need him to be a leader? Will this be his team? On the Rockets, we'd only need him to be a roleplayer-a good defender who could run on the break and finish, hit the open J, and spread the defense, as well as the occasional post-up.

    ------------------
    "That's been a lifelong dream of mine." -Vince Carter, after laying it in on a breakaway, much to the Vancouver crowd's displeasure.
     
  6. vj23k

    vj23k Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2000
    Messages:
    5,351
    Likes Received:
    46
    Ah you mean someone like Shandon Anderson.

    ------------------
    Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
     
  7. Achebe

    Achebe Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 1999
    Messages:
    6,237
    Likes Received:
    3
    YAAA, only z es zee cheepar PlayAr.

    ------------------
    "We've never been very comfortable with praising ourselves, but we're so proud of our new album, The Great Eastern, that we've got no problem telling people it's an absolutely fantastic record." EMMA POLLOCK of the delgados.
     
  8. Relativist

    Relativist Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2000
    Messages:
    3,517
    Likes Received:
    241
    I was thinking of something. I don't know a whole lot of either player, but compare Morris with Rashard Lewis. Strengths? Weaknesses? Opinions on who will do better/last longer in the NBA? I feel like both fit the type of complementary SF we want for the Rockets.

    ------------------
     
  9. Puedlfor

    Puedlfor Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2000
    Messages:
    5,973
    Likes Received:
    21
    Yeah, like Shandon Anderson, except 6'9" and a better athlete.

    ------------------
    The Rockets will be the NBA champions. Believe.
     
  10. Achebe

    Achebe Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 1999
    Messages:
    6,237
    Likes Received:
    3
    Nike, Pued,,

    This is a mix, I guess between a Rockets Forum and a NBA Draft question... if Shandon can be retained at the early bird, what's a better matchup on the floor 1 - 3?

    Francis, Anderson, Morris?
    Francis, Mobley, Anderson?
    Francis, Mobley, Morris?

    If the Draft goes Center crazy, or if the Rockets could trade up, or whatever what would you think of Battier next to Anderson as a SF? Next to Mobley???

    ------------------
    "We've never been very comfortable with praising ourselves, but we're so proud of our new album, The Great Eastern, that we've got no problem telling people it's an absolutely fantastic record." EMMA POLLOCK of the delgados.
     
  11. NIKEstrad

    NIKEstrad Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2000
    Messages:
    10,214
    Likes Received:
    4,173
    Achebe-interesting...I dunno, tough decision. But, if we unload Walt, there's room for all 4 of them (plus Moocher), isn't there?

    Also, Morris is a long 6'9'' and can block shots and rebound, which in a smaller, quicker set, makes him Rudy's ideal 4. Also has a decent post game to complement that too.

    I personally wouldn't trade up to get Battier, if I could get Morris without trading up, as the extra pick saved would be more valuable.

    Think of Morris similar to Mo Taylor-all the potential in the world, but a couple of knocks against him that don't bother some, but irritate others.

    Personally, I'm getting excited by the number of people saying Woods is falling like a stone. This of course is pre-tourney, which could change that. If the Rockets got him with their own pick (assumed late lotto), and could get Lafrentz for Cato and change...wow. Just had to go off in the dreamcast tangeant.

    ------------------
    "That's been a lifelong dream of mine." -Vince Carter, after laying it in on a breakaway, much to the Vancouver crowd's displeasure.
     
  12. rocketsfan34

    rocketsfan34 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    760
    Likes Received:
    1
    He may not have the mental edge, and doesn't lead, but if drafted by the rockets, that's has no relevance. We already have the guy who's willing to take that last shot in Mobley, if not Francis. We have two perfectly well people who want the ball. Morris is just there as a compliment.

    Morris never wanted to be the leader. It's the scouts that see his athleticism and drool over the concept. All he wants is to fit in. That's all we'd ask of him if he was drafted by the Rockets. We don't need him as a leader becuase that's what Mobley and Francis are for.



    ------------------
    March Madness Coverage!

    Draftsource.net
     
  13. JayZ750

    JayZ750 Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2000
    Messages:
    25,432
    Likes Received:
    13,390
    Im not saying I wouldnt want Terrence Morris on our team. Im just saying look at him relative to the other SF's out there and I think there are much better ones you can get where the rockets pick.

    Anyway, no, Terrence Morris wouldnt have to lead on the NBA level or on our team. He would have to be a role player. But that is easier said than done. The reason I brought up the fact that he cant even lead on the college level is because people often forget that a leader is a role plaer also, just a special kind. Morris DOES want to fit in, which is good, but has proven for two years now that he doesnt know HOW to fit in. In college, for Maryland to succeed, Morris has to play the role of leader. That is how he fits in in college. He is confused though, and I think there are definitely more talented, less confused SF's the Rockets could draft.

    ------------------
     
  14. vj23k

    vj23k Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2000
    Messages:
    5,351
    Likes Received:
    46
    I think that this rotation would really work well next year(Dream leaving, C-Webb says no, Mo, Shan, Mooch resigned):

    C-Cato/Haywood
    PF-Mo/KT/Rogers
    SF-Morris/Williams
    SG-Shan/Cuttino
    PG-Chise/Mooch

    ------------------
    Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
     
  15. TeXaSalsa

    TeXaSalsa Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2000
    Messages:
    668
    Likes Received:
    0
    more evaluation

    Morris tournament so far

    1st round
    4 pts.. non factor

    2nd round
    14 pts 9 RB 2 Blocks
    he played an excellent game today. stats dont show everything. he was a big part of the win.

    Scouting Report from ESPN
    Possessing a long, rangy build, many consider him one of the top talents in the country and it's easy to see why ... All the physical gifts are there, the height, the speed, the fluidness ... Plays with an intelligence and quiet confidence that shows maturity ... Developed tools that allow for him to make something out of his natural ability ... Highly-advanced in his shooting, footwork, and ballhandling ... Beautiful spin dribble, collects himself for one-handed bank shots off the window on drives ... Could stand to add pounds, and probably should do so to prepare for the next level ... Has virtually no chance at winning the battles for position that regularly occur in the paint because he lacks strength ... Lucky for him, he has plenty of game from the outside to do damage ... Unlike many shooters, he has size that enables him to find open jumpers from mid-range without and having to straggle out too deep for good looks ... Is however a bona fide threat from three-point range, where he gets into a rhythm for rainbow jumpers off the baseline ... Has rather lazy form in his mechanics meaning he doesn't get his legs into his shot but does get under the ball on his release creating a high arcing trajectory ... Rebounding-wise, his dexterity and quickness off the floor make him a factor, but once again his lack of strength limits him... As a shot-blocker, this of course is not a problem and his timing combined with his outstanding vertical reach via his long arms establish him as a major threat ... Also a magnificent passer, and because he can do so much with his dribble, he has the ability to create for others ... Needs to develop his game in the post a bit more but is so evolved at this point that most project him as a shoe-in lottery selection ... Came to Maryland with an outstanding reputation and has lived up to his billing ever since his arrival.

    (that last statement is total ****)

    STATS

    RESULT MIN FGM-A 3-PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST PF BLK STL TO PTS

    11/20 Louisville W 95-73 27 10-16 1-4 3-4 4 5 9 3 3 3 3 0 24
    11/21 Illinois L 90-80 27 5-12 1-2 2-3 2 4 6 0 3 3 0 3 13
    11/22 Dayton L 77-71 34 8-14 1-3 0-0 1 5 6 0 2 4 1 3 17
    11/29 @Wisconsin L 78-75 21 2-9 1-4 4-6 2 3 5 1 3 2 1 2 9
    12/2 @Michigan W 82-51 18 2-5 0-1 0-0 1 2 3 2 3 2 0 0 4
    12/3 @G W W 71-63 23 4-10 0-1 1-4 2 5 7 1 1 1 2 3 9
    12/6 Stony Brook W 107-59 20 3-5 0-1 6-6 0 4 4 2 1 2 2 0 12
    12/9 @Penn W 87-81 25 6-15 0-1 0-0 2 1 3 0 4 1 0 1 12
    12/13 UMBC W 93-67 25 4-13 1-5 0-0 3 0 3 2 3 2 1 2 9
    12/23 Norfolk St W 123-79 26 1-3 0-0 4-4 1 7 8 5 3 4 0 2 6
    12/27 Chicago St W 117-55 26 6-12 0-2 2-4 2 6 8 1 1 1 1 1 14
    12/30 UMES W 105-53 28 5-9 1-2 4-5 2 5 7 4 1 3 2 2 15
    1/2 @Clemson W 104-92 34 8-16 3-6 7-7 1 7 8 1 3 1 0 1 26
    1/6 Ga Tech W 93-80 31 7-13 1-3 4-5 6 7 13 1 4 3 0 2 19
    1/10 UNC L 86-83 35 6-13 2-6 7-7 5 7 12 5 3 4 1 4 21
    1/14 @Florida St W 76-55 31 1-12 0-0 3-4 4 10 14 2 3 2 0 2 5
    1/17 W Forest W 81-71 30 7-13 2-4 4-5 4 2 6 1 4 4 0 0 20
    1/21 @NC State W 75-61 33 7-11 3-4 3-3 3 7 10 4 2 2 1 2 20
    1/27 Duke L 98-96 23 6-10 0-1 1-1 2 3 5 1 5 2 2 0 13
    1/31 @Virginia L 99-78 29 5-9 0-2 4-6 3 12 15 0 2 1 1 2 14
    2/4 Clemson W 69-54 31 8-17 2-5 0-3 3 6 9 2 1 4 1 3 18
    2/6 @Ga Tech L 72-62 34 4-17 1-6 0-0 3 10 13 2 4 4 0 6 9
    2/10 @UNC L 96-82 36 4-11 1-4 3-3 3 5 8 6 3 4 1 1 12
    2/14 Florida St L 74-71 28 2-6 0-2 4-4 0 5 5 1 1 1 0 2 8
    2/17 @W Forest W 73-57 32 2-7 0-2 2-2 3 2 5 3 3 0 1 2 6
    2/20 NC State W 95-66 24 3-4 0-0 0-1 2 2 4 6 4 2 2 3 6
    2/24 Oklahoma W 68-60 30 1-6 0-3 4-4 1 4 5 2 1 3 0 0 6
    2/27 @Duke W 91-80 27 4-11 0-3 5-6 8 4 12 0 3 0 2 1 13
    3/3 Virginia W 102-67 28 4-7 2-3 4-4 2 11 13 0 2 4 0 1 14
    3/9 W Forest W 71-53 21 4-8 0-0 2-2 1 5 6 2 3 0 3 2 10
    3/10 @Duke L 84-82 31 4-12 1-4 3-4 2 5 7 3 2 2 1 3 12
    3/15 G Mason W 83-80 28 0-3 0-1 4-6 2 3 5 1 2 1 1 1 4
    3/17 Georgia St W 79-60 33 5-11 0-2 4-4 1 8 9 2 3 2 1 0 14
    3/22 G'town


    this is my opinion
    morris either has had some very good games
    he also has had some very poor games
    but look at his shooting int he poor games
    not alot of shots..

    here r 4 possibilites
    a.) accepts a lesser role cuz som1 else is hot
    b.) is afraid to shoot
    C.) other players hogging the ball- he isnt as invovled in the offesne
    D.) his shooting is off


    ------------------
    --TEX
     
  16. vj23k

    vj23k Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2000
    Messages:
    5,351
    Likes Received:
    46
    Ah. tiz just another similarity to Shandon Anderson.

    ------------------
    Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
     
  17. Prempeh

    Prempeh Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2000
    Messages:
    891
    Likes Received:
    5
    Maybe you can compare box score numbers between T Morris and Shanderson, but you can't compare Shandon's corkscrew with Morris' jumper...

    ------------------
    P.S. This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated.
     
  18. RunninRaven

    RunninRaven Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2000
    Messages:
    15,269
    Likes Received:
    3,215
    So do experts still think he will be a lottery pick?

    ------------------
    "all your base are belong to us!"
    "you have no chance to survive make your time!"
     
  19. Relativist

    Relativist Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2000
    Messages:
    3,517
    Likes Received:
    241
    I really hope not, but I doubt we'll be able to grab him in the 20s, which is where our highest pick will be if we have to send Vancouver ours.

    ------------------
     
  20. Beck

    Beck Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    1,132
    Likes Received:
    15
    I think that Morris will be a good player. He has all of the tools. I haven't seen a lot of Maryland games, but he seems like he is unselfish; sometimes too unselfish. I don't think he lacks effort, but lacks the confidence to try to take a game over. I don't know that he can dominate, but his athletic ability is tremendous. We need a 6'9'' guy who is an athlete. I think Morris can give us a lot of the same things that Robert Horry did.

    ------------------
    - Beck

    Dream...bring back the goggles
     

Share This Page