14) David Carr- He continues to play at high levels and nobody seems to notice it. His accuracy and decision making is top notch and his chemistry with WR Andre Johnson gets better each week. He is a guy to watch! http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2636884
oh god, not another carr thread obviously there are 13 other qb's id rather have on this team, which makes him an average qb. i can't believe we still have to put up with his crap. get me another qb to root for, 4+ years is long enough!
Unless we can trade Carr for 5 stud offensive linemen, does it really matter who we have under center?
first of all, there are 32 teams in the league; if he's the 14th best, then he's actually above average. the lesson, as always: semantics are fun. regardless, name the 13 you'd rather have.
I think his QB rating is a little skewed since a bunch of those stats have come after the game has been out of reach... but over all I'd say his play is better than last year by a lot. I think Kubiak has a lot to do with that. If the Texans can build an above average Oline and get an above average running game going then Carr can excel. I just don't think he's ever going to carry the team the way some of the great QB's can. But its been proven that you can win with an average QB who limits his mistakes and makes good choices with the ball. Given my druthers I would have drafted Vince and let the rebuilding start there but they didn't so I'll continue to pull for Carr and hope he can lead the team to the playoffs one day.
he "padded" his stats once, against the colts, though, when properly assessing blame, carr did exactly what you wanted him to do; it was his teammates who failed him that day: all day, with the exception of the first two series, carr moved the team up and down the field. why is this so easily dismissed? care to guess the common element all great QBs have in common, and no, it's not some magical ability to will their teammates to overachieve; it's playing on a roster dotted with equally great players on both sides of the ball and/or playing a set of great, innovative coaches.
This is a great point that most cannot or will not comprehend. I admit that truly great QBs can elevate lesser talent but most QBs, even some of the greats had a whole lot of help. I don't think any Carr advocate on the board is saying he is an all time great. I think most of us think he is in the second category - someone that needs help from his teammates. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and it puts him in the same category as most NFL QBs.
i think it's closer to "every." in my lifetime, i can think of only two "great" qbs who were heads and tails the best players on their teams: elway and favre, and even elway needed TD to actually win a SB (or 2). and favre had a great defense and a really good special teams. you could maybe toss marino in there... but he never won it all and it was precisely because the team around him was usually not very good. but bradshaw, montana, young, moon, kelly, aikman (off the top of my head)... they all played with bona-fide superstars; some with all-time greats.
Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb, Matt Schaub, Matt Hasselbeck, Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Carson Palmer, Ben Roethlisberger, Byron Leftwich, Rex Grossman would be my choices. anyway here's a list of QB's I'd rather have than the current QBs the raiders have... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players?league=nfl&position=qb
I wouldn't say he carried the team on Sunday. I think he played well and didn't make the mistakes he's been prone to make over the past 4 years. He also had a decent running game for the first time all season. Once again I'd credit Kubiak and hope that Carr continues to learn from him.
Schaub would be starting for at least 10 NFL teams this season. Don't knock him because he's unproven. That being said, I really don't find too much wrong with Carr. I think he's a capable QB but he doesn't wow me by any means either. Average, middle of the road type, sort of like a Chris Chandler or a Brad Johnson
I definitely wouldn't take raw passers like Vick or Young over Carr. How long has Vick been in the league and he still isn't that accurate or that good of a decision maker? Grossman has been much less accurate his whole career and has a much worse QB rating than Carr this year despite being on one of the best teams in the league. Leftwich and Leinart make more sense, but Leftwich is incredibly immoblie and Leinart is unproven, as his last game shows. Leinart's QB rating so far- 71.6 despite having plenty of talent. The others I could see.
brad johnson and chandler both got to the super bowl and johnson won the super bowl. u got a taste of ur own medicine.
