This info is a bit of a rehash, but I figured with both the Roy and Thomas mention and those other threads being kind of cluttered, that this article could use it's own thread. http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=ford_chad#20060624 The way things are going, it seems like it's a better idea to sit tight, and maybe attempt to move up on draft night to #5 or 6. With Thomas working out for so few teams, and Roy also cancelling some workouts, they might not have to do that Portland deal to get one of the players the Rox are looking at.
I think the Rockets have a serious shot at moving #8+Luther for #6(Roy) considering the Wolves lost McCants to injury and could replace him with #8(Foye) and Luther. That makes sense. But what doesnt make as much sense to me is the Rockets being able to move up to #4 with the Blazers. I just dont see why the Blazers would want to move down when potentially there are players at #4 (Roy/Morrison) that can really help them. Even if they want to dump Miles, they arent going to trade down just to dump him. More would have to be involved there. I see Toronto taking Bargnani #1 and Bulls taking Thomas #2. After that.... I could see Roy falling to #6. Do the Bobcats take Roy, Gay or Morrison? Do the Blazers take Morrison or Roy? I can see the Bobcats taking Gay and Morrison going to the Blazers with the Hawks taking Shelden and then that leaves Roy at #6.
I could see us trading up with the hawks. They allegedly promised Shelden Williams they would take him at 5, which seems odd. Maybe the real story is that they're getting him at 8 w/ a deal for the houston pick.
GM's make deccisions that we scratch our heads at all the time. Never forget the Glenn Rice trade to Utah. Rice was an expiring contract and yet we still gave Utah a draft pick just to take him off of our hands when most of us thought that his expiring contract had value. Look at every single Isiah Thomas move. Things that make you go....HMMMMM.
well! Gm's and Coaches etc are the Public faces that we bash and criticize- what about the owners who for whatever reason atleast agree if not initiate these questionable transactions.Our View as Fans- and the owner's view could be dramtically at odds- hence the deals that make absolutely no sense. Sometimes the owners get bad advice.
I really dont agree with your suggestion on trading with the Wolves- they will not be interested. It makes tremendous sense to be in a position where you know that you will get a solid contributor- especially I think Roy is more or less a certainity unless the Bobcats pass on Gay. I agree with you on thesolid foundation of the rationale why the Blazers would swap the picks- depends on how strongly they feel the need to clean house. They have a choice to set a different tone ( and possibly new ownership) and perhaps that is what is influencing the decision. I know this is just banter- frankly I will only believe this when I actually see it happen- but the fact that they are even trying to move up makes me feel thrilled as a fan- All i ask is for a sincere attempt to upgrade ( knowing Tmac and Yao have 2 years to get us to the promised land. If am not really sure if this means Stro is staying- I am absolutley positive that it will be Roy over Thomas - and if we had a chance Bargnani over Thomas! Either way- I would be a very happy fan if Jho is traded- nothing personal, I expect that move to pay instant dividends.
wow so if the rockets trade head to move up to 6 they would basically be saying that one meaningless win against the wolves was worth luther head. if they make that trade i hope he amounts to nothing because it would really burn if he did.
Whatever goes down, I don't want Head to be packaged with the 8 for us to move higher. IMO, A decent player with potential is not worth moving up 2-4 picks in the draft.
It's a killer thought. We still do the deal though.....and down the road when JVG complains about not having enough depth the Rockets GM can just say well, put in Wesley....YOU are the one that wanted to play that 35 year old in the 2nd to last game of the regular season which was meaningless. And it cost us Luther because of it. So you have to deal with it. It's REALLY tough to think about. But we have to move on. I like Luther, but if you can get Brandon Roy you do it. Roy is a starter, 3rd scorer, Head is a bench rotational player.
I do not understand the obsession w/ Luther Head. He's a marginal player w/ less then marginal dribbling skills for a guard. Houston would be fortunate to *only* lose Head to move draft position.
I agree. He has a good head on his shoulders, is a good shooter (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that that was the rookie wall he hit) and even a decent rebounder for his size. But he does not have the flexibility to swing to the point and play multiple positions, he does not finish strong in traffic and is a little undersized (although he has a good vertical jump). Thus, if it is true that this is all we need to give up to get a Morrison, Roy, Gay or Aldridge I'll gladly sign on to with this deal.
My thoughts exactly. Roy could come in and start at SG right away, Luther Head will always be the 6th or 7th guy off the bench.
Just incase you haven't noticed Luther Head is a winner and comes from winning basketball, He played as a rookie with a spark that said that he is a decent contributor in the making. If we trade him away we will regret it as he is due for an upswing this coming sesaon. He played a very long season last year especially for a rookie and with all that experience behind him it would behoove the Rockets to have him on this years roster.
I agree with your assesment but we are not just comparing Roy to Head. You need to compare Roy to Head + #8. Who knows which player will drop to us if we stay at #8. It could be Roy himself, it could be Brewer, Thomas or Marcus Williams etc... Who is to say that Roy> Head + #8 ? This team needs depth, youth and athletism. As you may heard CD that the free agent market this year is not that good. Some people forgot how many clutch shots he made in his rookie season, how many threes he made (leading all rookies), steals, fast breaks etc.. I love Roy and I think he is the best fit but the price is high IMHP. I am not sure how much the knee problem is a factor. In years past I remember the Cavs and the Bulls swaped picks (#7 & #8) for cash considerations. I would expect (# 6 & #8) to be slightly more but not second all rookie player. I can not see Seattle for example giving up on Petro or Sacramento giving up on Franciso Garcia just to move up a couple of spots. Let us stick to what we have and try to add more to it.
I feel the same way about Head. He's a fierce competitor who brings it everynight. I think he's only going to get better.
Here's a new development from DraftExpress. Rockets moving up to #4??? Any thoughts? Who do you think the Rockets Target is with the 4th pick? Roy, Thomas, Gay, Morrison, Aldridge, Bargnani? HTML: Miles vs Howard Age 24 33 Height 6'9" 6'9" Weight 210 230 PPG 11.8 14.0 RPG 6.7 4.6 APG 1.4 1.8 SPG .61 1.05 BPG .10 .98 FG% .459 .461 FT% .806 .534 3P% .000 .200 MPG 31.7 32.2 Salaries 06/07 07/08 08/09 09/10 JH 6.4 6.9 7.4 DM 7.75 8.25 9 9
Man that is a disgusting contract to take up on. 9 mil for the last 2 years? sick. Who was the idiot that gave him that contract?!
What exactly are you talking about? We're talking about how the Rockets are working out Tyrus Thomas and Brandon Roy and might be moving up in the draft to take them and you're talking about some unnamed player making 9 million for the last two years of his contract?
