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ESPN halftime show mentions Rox

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sun12, Jan 12, 2007.

  1. sun12

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    Halftime from Wizards-Hornets,

    Rox has 4 fewer Turnovers and 4 more offensive rebounds when Yao does not play. Rox players also have more freedom to operate on the offensive side because Yao would take too much space inside.

    Comment?
     
  2. xomox

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    it's jvg's fault! :p
     
  3. Omer

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    I can see both being true. Works for me.
     
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    Noway you can be better off without the best Center in the league.
     
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    I dont know about you guys but if i m a rocket player, I will be more enjoy playin now without yao in the lineups because of more freedom.

    With yao, the offensive sets are too predicted though it is definitely more efficient!
     
  6. sun12

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    Do you have offensive numbers? like PPG and field goal percentages?
    It would be interesting to see.
     
  7. whoisray

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    Well, also this includes TMAC's MUCH improved play. Let's be honest here, TMAC before he was injured was average player and not an All-Star. Now, I would like to see them both at the top of their games which is the TMAC of now and Yao of now.
     
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    We have a winner.
     
  9. Joe Joe

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    Yao is turnover prone due to the amount of hands slapping at the ball when he has it. This also leads to a lot more FTAs...my guess is about 6/g.

    Deke is a beast on the boards. Rockets miss a lot more shots (I would guess 6 extra missed FGs a game) when Yao doesn't play.
     
  10. macfan

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    When Tmac is in the game or offense doesn't stall and we don't turn the ball over, but the offensive rebounds have nothing to do with Tmac

    That's the Deke factor
     
  11. barryxzz

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    The better stat without Yao is because of Mutombo's insane performance and the much improved play from t-mac (I don't buy his saying that it was because of his deferring to Yao).

    If Mutombo can play the way he has been playing the last few games for the rest of the season and so does t-mac, then maybe Rockets will be better off without Yao. Remember 76ers went to finals with Mutombo as the center.

    However, come playoff time rockets will need Yao's offense. If the Yao before the injury went back time to the then 76ers, maybe 76ers can beat Lakers because of yao's offense.
     
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    It's no supprise. ESPN sports guys will seize every possible oppertunity to downplay Yao. Medical term: ego defense in the form of denial :D

    But seriously, it's the new T-Mac and Mutummmmb carried the team for the last 10 games. With Deke, you know your RP is going to spike and without Yao, turn-over will be a bit down. With the current lineup and refreshed T-Mac, it is scary for the rest of the league once Yao is back ;)
     
  13. smoothie

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    that all makes a lot of sense. not surprising. but we still can't go anywhere without yao.
     
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    I dont have any figures on hand but out of curiousity i have gathered some boxscores, the last 9 games without yao and the last 9 games yao played(6 Dec - 22 Dec). Here is the average:-

    Without Yao = 43% FG - 84 FGA - 13.7 ORB - 47.9 TRB
    With Yao = 45.5% FG - 80.7 FGA - 10.4 ORB - 43.7 TRB

    From the figures, the team shoots 4 more FG at 43% FG percentages without yao. Shoot more means extra rebounds, shoot worse % mean extra offensive rebounds.
    Whereas with yao, the team shoot better % @ 45.5% but less attempts @ 80.7 and less Offensive rebounds @ 10.4 and Total Rebounds @ 43.7.

    Conclusion, Deke is definitely a better rebounder than yao, but from the above findings, the rockets played at a slightly faster pace without yao thus lead to more rebounding oppurtunity. As for the turnovers, that definitely has to do with the half court set which is too predictable and easy for the opponents to prepare!

    In my opinion, the segment is just another way ESPN try hard to diss yao!
     
  15. MONON

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    Well DUH :rolleyes: Without Ming in the middle(sounds like a food network show doesn't it :D ), the defense doesn't play 2 or 3 in the paint to guard him. Therefore there would naturally be more room to operate inside. Beside, noone complained when Dream patrolled the middle.

    Took a real ROCKET scientist to come up with that statement.
     
  16. xiki

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    This from the guy who called Yao MVP just before the injury...
     
  17. sun12

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    Great. That was what I look for. So let's say 84 - 80.7 = 3.3 is the TO differential here due to Yao. With 43% FG, that's 43%*3.3*2 = 2.84 more points. But with Yao, the FG% is higher, and that's (45.5% - 43%)*80.7*2 = 4 more points. Therefore the offense is still better with Yao in the lineup even though Yao might cause more TOs.

    Do you have the defensive numbers for opponents?
     
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    I'm with Lance Zerlein. We should punch those guys in the face.
     
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    Before I make my point: (1) I'm not a JVG hater, (2) Tracy has turned into T-Mac since coming back & (3) Deke has been playing out of his mind, but to the point...

    It really is partially JVG's fault because the offense is centered way too much on Yao when he plays. It stifles the rhythm of every other player on the floor and makes our offense painfully predictable. It's on JVG to bring more variety and creativity on the offensive end when Yao plays. Indeed, to start games off, Yao should be the focus. Same thing for starting the 2nd half. Yao needs early touches to get himself going and to feel involved in the offense. But having him fight for position and touch the ball every trip down the floor is destructive to our offense (and to Yao) in the long run. It's very noticeable the other players on the floor get complacent and just watch Yao either take the shot or park on the 3 point line waiting on a pass out of a double team.

    Our offense is much more fluid without Yao and the passing is crisper. Because they know they will be rewarded for moving and getting open, the role players actually move around and try to get open. One reason we have more offensive boards is because the center position doesn't take so many shots and the center (Deke or Juwan) can actually work on fighting for rebounding position as opposed to scoring.

    I love the way our team is playing. It's inspiring because we can see how good the Rockets can be if they incorporate the strengths of what's happening now with the addition of the dominant low-post player in the league, Yao. This is on JVG! If we revert back to our early season offense it will be a HUGE mistake.
     
  20. Dei

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    When I saw this, I thought, "God, another Yao bashing from ESPN. Why don't they just come clean and say 'Go back to China Yao Ming!' "? Its just statistics, sure, but it seems to connote that Yao does not give the Rox positives.

    Kudos to all those who've taken the ESPN statistics and gave it a proper interpretation. You're all doing the work ESPN should be doing. You know that sports analysts are not doing their jobs when they show only negatives about a player/team, especially raw statistics. They call themselves analysts but they don't even provide data interpretation!?

    Anyway, this is my interpretation on the "more freedom inside" part: Rox naturally have more freedom to operate on the paint, but that doesn't necessarilly mean positives. With Yao, even with the more limited freedom on the paint, points come so easily that we don't need that much freedom.

    I hope everybody at ESPN dies when Yao and the Rox win a championship... except Jon Barry, of course.
     

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