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[ESPN] Draft/Trade Buzz

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by J.R., Jun 21, 2010.

  1. J.R.

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    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?name=nba_draft


    [rquoter]The draft is now just three days away and things are beginning to get a little bit clearer. I spent the weekend on the phone talking with various NBA executives and agents trying to get a handle on what's happening in the draft. Here's the latest:


    The Philadelphia 76ers and Sacramento Kings made the first big trade of the offseason last Thursday, swapping Samuel Dalembert for Andres Nocioni and Spencer Hawes. While the deal made sense for both teams (the Kings needed a shot blocker and the Sixers needed to get under the luxury tax) will there be larger ramifications in the draft?

    Sources in both Philly and Sacramento say the trade won't affect their draft plans despite the fact that both teams seemed to fill needs and create new holes in the trade.

    The Sixers have been strongly leaning toward taking Evan Turner with the No. 2 pick. However, the addition of Nocioni and the loss of Dalembert leaves them loaded at the wing and pretty bare on the front line. On the surface, it appears that Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins should be better fits.

    For the Kings, the team had been looking at both Cousins and Greg Monroe. With the addition of Dalembert as a starting center and the loss of Nocioni, it now appears that their biggest need is at the 3 -- unless the Kings believe that Omri Casspi or Donte Greene is ready to step in and be the starter on a winning team.

    However, it looks like both teams are still locked in on their original targets.

    More trade talk

    The Sixers-Kings deal should be the first of many as we get closer to the draft. The Washington Wizards, Sixers, New Jersey Nets and Minnesota Timberwolves are all sending strong signals that they're keeping their picks. But after that, it starts to get a little messier.

    I've heard that the Kings, Detroit Pistons, Indiana Pacers, New Orleans Hornets, Memphis Grizzlies, Toronto Raptors, Houston Rockets, Milwaukee Bucks, Chicago Bulls, San Antonio Spurs, Oklahoma City Thunder, Portland Trail Blazers and Denver Nuggets have all been talking about moving picks. The Kings, Pacers, Hornets and Bucks would like to trade down, the Pistons, Grizzlies, Raptors, Rockets, Spurs, Thunder, Blazers and Nuggets would like to move up and the Pacers, Hornets and Bulls might want to get out of the draft completely.

    That's a lot to digest and here's why. All of these teams are talking to each other. Some teams are looking at three or four different scenarios with the teams above. You can expect that teams will begin narrowing choices on Monday to get things done in enough time before the draft.

    From what I can gather, the Pacers, Hornets, Raptors, Spurs and Thunder are the most active right now.

    Hot button issues

    We're starting to see players fall into a bit of a pecking order right now as teams try to decide who they like best at particular positions.

    Here are the four hottest debates in NBA front offices at the moment:

    Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins

    Favors and Cousins have now met in Sacramento and Philly and on June 21 they'll be in New Jersey together. In Sacramento the two worked out on the court together, but didn't actually play against each other. That changed when they went to Philly as Favors' agent gave them the green light to bang.

    However, things are moving back to the Sacramento model for the N.J. workout. Apparently Favors' agent complained that the workout in Philly consisted of Cousins fouling Favors on every play, so we're back to two big guys in a gym shooting jump shots.

    The stakes couldn't be higher for Favors at the moment. The general consensus in Sacramento and Philly was that Cousins was much better. That makes some sense. Cousins has 47 pounds on Favors and is much more polished on the offensive end. You expect it to be that way.

    But Favors seems to be suffering from more than that. Wolves GM David Kahn ripped Favors for his lack of conditioning and doubted that Favors was ready for the NBA. While that certainly could've been a David Kahn smokescreen (I haven't heard feedback he was out of shape in the other two workouts) it all contributes to the narrative that Favors is getting his butt kicked by Cousins at the moment.

    Ed Davis or Ekpe Udoh

    Davis came into the season with all the momentum, but a so-so year combined with injuries and an underperforming Tar Heels squad has hurt his stock a bit. Meanwhile Udoh resurrected his draft stock by vastly improving at Baylor.

    The two haven't gone head-to-head because Davis is still recovering from a wrist injury, but a number of teams including the Pistons, Pacers, Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Clippers and Utah Jazz are all trying to get a feel for who they'd prefer if both were on the board.

    Right now Udoh seems to have the buzz. He's more polished, is a better offensive player and has the ability to contribute right away. Davis is a better defender, is more explosive athletically and is bigger. He impressed the Jazz and Pacers in recent workouts with his improved shooting ability, but everyone knows he's a project.

    The question really comes down to this: Udoh is 23; Davis is 21. In two years, would Davis be as good or better than Udoh is now? If the answer is yes, then the Davis pick is the best one. But sometimes it's easier to take the guy you know can get some stuff done right now.

    From what I can gather, I don't think Davis will slip past the Jazz at No. 9. Udoh probably won't get past the Pacers at 10 if they keep their pick.

    Luke Babbitt, Gordon Hayward, Xavier Henry or Paul George

    These four wings have all impressed in workouts and depending on whom you talk to, you'll get a different answer on who is the best prospect. I think the range for all of them starts at No. 8 to the Clippers. The Jazz, Pacers, Hornets, Grizzlies, Bucks and Timberwolves also look to be in the mix.

    Each player offers a different skill set. Babbitt may be the best scorer of the bunch and is the most NBA-ready. Henry is the best pure shooter of the group. Hayward has all the intangibles. George has the most upside (both in terms of athleticism and skills).

    Each player also has a serious flaw. Babbitt lacks the lateral quickness to guard the quicker 3s in the league. Henry appears to be a bit one-dimensional. Hayward lacks strength and needs to get his shooting back on track. George lacks a great motor.

    In what order will they go? It's way too early to say. If I were to handicap it right now, the Clippers are slightly leaning toward Hayward. The Jazz prefer Babbitt, while the Pacers and Grizzlies like George, and the Hornets and Bucks favor Hayward.

    Avery Bradley or Eric Bledsoe

    For teams looking for a point guard, the debate is really between Bradley and Bledsoe. Both players are freshmen and didn't have huge years. Bradley is a superior scorer and has good size for the position. Bledsoe is more of a true point guard and sees the floor better.
    Both players are considered raw and unproven, but both have tremendous athletic ability and upside. Both have been working out against each other in virtually every city before Bradley injured his ankle in Oklahoma City.

    The real question for both players will come down to one spot in the lottery -- the Raptors at 13. While I've been hearing for weeks now that Bradley has the edge on Bledsoe, I had a trusted source tell me over the weekend that it may be Bledsoe who gets the nod in Toronto.

    A true Insider mock draft

    I'm working hard on our next Mock Draft (v. 6.0) for Tuesday. But for those of you sick of hearing what I think every week, here's a pretty good alternative.

    It probably doesn't surprise you to hear that most NBA teams do their own mock drafts in an effort to understand what players will be available when they are picking. They use their scouts to talk to other scouts in the league to get intel (along with reading ESPN Insider of course) and then put a mock together.

    I persuaded one of the best drafting GMs in the league to share his team's mock with me. He kindly gave me the first 20 picks Enjoy!

    1. Wizards: John Wall
    2. Sixers: Evan Turner
    3. Nets: Derrick Favors
    4. T-Wolves: Wesley Johnson
    5. Kings: DeMarcus Cousins
    Note: Monroe had a terrific workout over the weekend. Sounds like Monroe and Cousins are neck and neck here.
    6. Warriors: Greg Monroe
    Note: Interestingly, after the positive workout, Monroe had a shaky one in Golden State on Sunday. You don't want to be outplayed by Omar Samhan when you're trying to talk a team into drafting you at No. 6. This may change.
    7. Pistons: Al-Farouq Aminu
    8. Clippers: Gordon Hayward
    Note: If you're comparing to our Mock Draft v 5.0, we have the first eight in the exact same order. But from here it changes significantly.
    9. Jazz: Ed Davis
    Note: I think you'll see our Mock Draft v. 6.0 take up this suggestion. I've been hearing all week that Davis doesn't get past No. 9 if Monroe is off the board. Sorry, Luke Babbitt.
    10. Pacers: Ekpe Udoh
    Note: This also seems like a good bet. We've had Davis falling here for the past two weeks. But Udoh was the guy we had in Indy for our first two Mock Drafts.
    11. Hornets: Cole Aldrich
    12. Grizzlies: Luke Babbitt
    13. Raptors: Eric Bledsoe
    Note: That's the first major surprise I've heard so far. I've had them higher on Avery Bradley for months ... but maybe he knows something I don't.
    14. Rockets: Patrick Patterson
    15. Bucks: Xavier Henry
    16. Timberwolves: Paul George
    Note: I think this is probably too low for George. I put him here in my last mock draft, but continue to hear he's strongly in the mix for the Clips, Indy and Memphis. Hard to see him sliding past all three.
    17. Bulls: Damion James
    18. Heat: Avery Bradley
    19. Celtics: Solomon Alabi
    20. Spurs: Daniel Orton
    Note: The Spurs need a big man and they could rip out the heart of folks in OKC if they take Orton one pick ahead of the Thunder.
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  2. J.R.

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    Already a trade made:

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    Warriors trade 34th draft pick to Portland for 44th and cash
     
  3. Hayesfan

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    Is anyone as excited as me about draft day?? It's like Christmas in June.
     
  4. ThaShark316_28

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    Yea i'm hyped for this...nba draft night is awesome for me.
     
  5. valorita

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    great article.
    I wonder who that GM is...
    Pritch since he's got nothing to lose at this point?
     
  6. rocketblaze

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    Dude, I'm so freaking excited! :grin:

    --RB
     
  7. coachbadlee

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    OH YEAH!! Exactly.
     
  8. Spacemoth

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    Morey since he's one of the most forthcoming GM's when it comes to interviews?
     
  9. A_3PO

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    I am more excited than normal. Don't know why. Can't wait for summer league either.
     
  10. Tfj4

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    Much more excited than last year, this will decide how big of players we are in free agency and so on.
     
  11. withmustard

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    great chance that "gm" is Morey. Who else is as good at drafting?
     
  12. Hayesfan

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    me either... especially since I am going to be there!

    It's funny, I get all excited about draft day every year.. heck I was excited about it last year and we didn't even have any draft picks going into that night!
     
  13. sammy

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    Yep. I'm really amped for Thurs esp after the Lakers craptastic title run and the US getting robbed.
     
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    all i got from that article was the jazz like the white guy (luke babbitt) the best. i came away very surprised.
     
  15. J.R.

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    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlE7.D9hlwBP2xOgKUmmbkC8vLYF?slug=aw-draftbuzz062210

    Y! Sports Draft Buzz:

    [rquoter]Perhaps it won’t be long until panic starts to set into the Minnesota Timberwolves, where two things need to become increasingly clear: They’re far overvaluing Al Jefferson’s(notes) trade value; and Syracuse’s Wesley Johnson is no longer assured to be available to them with the fourth pick in Thursday’s NBA draft.

    All along, the Wolves had planned to select Johnson at No. 4, and yet the New Jersey Nets are holding serious discussions about drafting the small forward and taking their chances with trying to sign a power forward in free agency. The Nets had long favored Derrick Favors, but are debating now about how long it will take for him to become a regular contributor. New Jersey is still contemplating DeMarcus Cousins, too.

    Under general manager David Kahn, the Wolves are becoming the organization that no one wants to send players. Kahn’s condescending, abrasive style is frustrating to rival GMs and agents because few people believe he has the background, knowledge or credentials to even hold the job. To his credit, Kahn did hire a personable assistant GM, Tony Ronzone, who can work the phones for him.

    Nevertheless, Cousins wouldn’t work out for the Wolves. Nor did Georgetown center Greg Monroe, who traveled to the two teams in the next two spots, Sacramento and Golden State. Favors reluctantly worked out for the Wolves only to have Kahn insult him by calling him “out of shape.” This infuriated Favors’ agent Wallace Prather, and has strained the relationship there. It makes no sense for the Wolves to draft another power forward, anyway.

    Kahn has tried to assure agents he’s going to move Jefferson before the season, but it won’t be long until he realizes how little value his power forward has with such an expensive contract and a reconstructed knee. The Wolves have two power forwards, Jefferson and Kevin Love(notes), who don’t complement each other, and no center.

    Minnesota wants Memphis’ Rudy Gay(notes) in free agency, but sources say the only way Gay will even consider the Wolves is if they massively overpay him. That’s why the Wolves were so determined to draft Johnson and why they have to be terrified that he could be gone at No. 4.

    The Wolves are also willing to move point guard Jonny Flynn(notes), and have discussed a deal with the Indiana Pacers, sources said. The Wolves are willing to part with the 16th and 23rd picks as part of a bigger package to move up to No. 10. This way, the Wolves could possibly gain the leverage to make a deal with Philadelphia to secure the No. 2 pick and grab Ohio State’s Evan Turner.

    Sources say Flynn was frustrated throughout the season with the triangle offense and clashed with Wolves coach Kurt Rambis over the system. Rambis brought the offense with him from the Los Angeles Lakers, but traditionally it’s worked best with bigger guards. Minnesota could turn its team over to Ramon Sessions(notes) next season or gain another point guard elsewhere. The Wolves own the rights to Spanish point guard Ricky Rubio(notes), but he won’t consider leaving for the NBA until next season. Even then, Rubio’s camp still needs to be sold on the organization.

    Suns to make offer to Stoudemire

    Phoenix Suns owner Robert Sarver and coach Alvin Gentry are planning to meet with Amar’e Stoudemire(notes) next week and offer him a contract extension, but a source called it “pretty bleak” that the Suns will be able to convince the All-Star forward to agree to a deal.

    The Suns are expected to visit Stoudemire in Chicago at his summer basketball camp, if not wait for him to return to his home in Phoenix, Yahoo! Sports has learned. After rejecting what’s expected to be another counteroffer below the maximum, Stoudemire will opt out of the final year of his contract and become a free agent July 1.

    The Miami Heat and New York Knicks will be the top suitors for Stoudemire, with the Chicago Bulls and New Jersey Nets also expected to show interest.

    Stoudemire has been disappointed with the resignations of general manager Steve Kerr and his assistant, David Griffin. The Suns’ top two executives plan to work through the draft Thursday, but free agency and trades will be left to Sarver and Gentry. Much of the reason for Kerr’s departure was based on Sarver asking him to take a pay cut and continuing to nickel-and-dime the teams’ front-office employees.

    When Griffin was told that there would a search for Kerr’s successor and that he wouldn’t necessarily be promoted to the top basketball job, sources said, he decided to not stay past the expiring of his contract June 30.

    Orton stock dropping

    There’s a great deal of uncertainty and caution surrounding Kentucky center Daniel Orton, who has cancelled several workouts in the final days before the draft, but has tentatively planned a visit with Indiana on Tuesday.

    League executives say Orton has been out of shape and struggling with knee issues during the predraft process. Orton, a 6-foot-10 freshman, had planned to hire agent Raymond Brothers, but sources said an internal family struggle over control has kept him without formal representation. With so much uncertainty surrounding Orton, he could face a steep drop Thursday night.

    Orton has been working out with former NBA coach Bob Hill. As one Eastern Conference executive said Monday, “There are too many red flags right now.”

    Tip-ins

    Here’s the great advantage Portland Trail Blazers owner Paul Allen and his embattled GM Kevin Pritchard have over the rest of the NBA: a willingness to spend at draft time. To move up 10 spots in the second round – from 44 to 34 – a league source says the Blazers paid Golden State $2 million to go with the 44th pick. …

    The Miami Heat’s draft pick at No. 18 is available, league sources say. “They want to sell it to clear cap space,” one Western Conference executive said.

    The Washington Wizards have the Nos. 1 and 30 picks of the first round, but league executives says GM Ernie Grunfeld is trying to stockpile more picks. New owner Ted Leonsis had a similar philosophy with the Washington Capitals, and has insisted that building through picks and the draft will be his priority in the NBA, too.

    The Nets and Philadelphia 76ers are expected to have interest in Boston Celtics free agent Brian Scalabrine(notes). The reserve forward prefers to re-sign with the Celtics, but it’s unclear if they’ll make him an offer.

    Portland is showing strong interest in Cleveland Cavaliers guard Mo Williams(notes). The Blazers have been making calls to check on him.

    British center Ryan Richards isn’t expected to get past the Kings with the 33rd pick.

    The Denver Nuggets made Linas Kleiza(notes) a $2.3 million qualifying offer, but sources close to the forward say there’s “more than a 50 percent chance” he’ll stay in Greece. Kleiza is due to make $6 million next season if he stays with Olympiakos. The qualifying offer allows the Nuggets to match any offer an NBA team makes to Kleiza.[/rquoter]
     
  16. BasketballReasons

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    At what time is the draft starting? Thank you
     
  17. J.R.

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    Thursday at 7pm(?) Not sure on that.
     
  18. A_3PO

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    7:00 ET, 6:00 Houston time.
     
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  19. Dubious

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    This draft is more exciting because The Rox hold #14. Thats a lot more fun than the 20's or no pick in the first.

    I'm as happy as Hayesfan!

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  20. smoothie

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    if miami is selling the 18th pick, i'm hoping morey looks into buying it.

    owning the 14th and 18th picks could make it easier to trade up to #10 or #8. both the clippers and pacers can probably get a player they want at #14. one of hayward, babbitt, george, and henry should be available for the clips. either bradley or bledsoe... or both could be available for the pacers at #14 and #18.

    trading down would give them better value for the players they want while trading up would allow the rockets to target a higher tier of player.
     

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