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EPA wants to apply Title V to Farmers and Ranchers

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by weslinder, Jan 5, 2009.

  1. weslinder

    weslinder Member

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    It seems that the outrage is mostly about the tax, but anyone who has been involved in Title V Permitting will know that the paperwork costs way more than the tax.

    http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081230165231.aspx



    http://beefmagazine.com/government/1124-epa-proposes-cow-tax/

    If this goes through, it will kill the few remaining for-profit independent farmers and ranchers in this country. We will be left with corporate farms and ranches that can afford to do the paperwork, and hobbyists who keep their farms and rances smaller than 50 cows and 35 acres of rice.
     
  2. MadMax

    MadMax Member

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    exactly what the federal govt has intended to do with the food production industry in this country for decades now, unfortunately

    read The Omnivore's Dilemma. excellent book.
     
  3. Invisible Fan

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    If only there were TurboTax designed for ranchers and farmers...
     
  4. Major

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    New Zealand got big headlines a few months ago for the cow fart tax. I don't know if they ever implemented it or not, but there was a big stink about it there a few months ago (I think we had a thread here, but I'm not positive).
     
  5. JuanValdez

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    Sounds good to me. Most of the industry is already big business anyway. If you're only going to knock off a few independent ranchers (since there's only a few left) while taxing big agri-business, then I'm fine with it.
     
  6. JayZ750

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    Hasn't Barack indicated he is in favor of a cap and trade system - as the US would be under if they ratified the Kyoto Protocol? Wouldn't that effectively take place on any kind of cow tax, etc?

    Not that it still wouldn't hurt small farmers. If you're in a business that produces an disproportionate amount of greenhouses gases, and the global consensus seems to be that those are bad, well, policy decisions may impact your business.
     
  7. DFWRocket

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    I wonder what exactly the percentage of "few remaining" is in regards to the industry as a whole. Also, how much will the cost of food go up because of this. The costs will eventually be passed down to the consumers.
     
  8. rocketsjudoka

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    Does anyone know of how much GHG's are emmitted directly by livestock themselves and not from manure, since manure storage and disposal is already regulated?
     
  9. bucket

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    "It’s hard to figure what it would do to consumer prices since farmers, unlike other industries, really can’t pass their cost along directly like utilities and things do,” “About the only thing we could realistically come up, in terms of any of this stuff – it would add between 7 and 8 cents per gallon of milk costs to farmers. So it would cost them 7 or 8 cents more to produce a gallon of milk.”

    So, the price of a gallon of milk will go up by something less than 7 or 8 cents.
     
  10. Buck Turgidson

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    This is pretty much bullsh!t, pun totally intended.
     
  11. Supermac34

    Supermac34 President, Von Wafer Fan Club

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    This will pretty much really hurt a lot of small to medium farmers in the South part of Texas. My wife's family are pretty much all small/medium independent farmers getting squeezed on costs.

    Despite fairly high corn/soybean prices the last few years, costs have risen to pretty much take any extra profit out.

    Add an additional cost to cattle, one of the few fairly profitable points that the farmers/ranchers in the area can maintain, it will really hurt a lot of middle to lower income folks in the region.
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    they should just balance it against all the subsidies


    Okay that facetious and cynical and I really don't believe that but its funny.
     

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