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Elon vs Twitter update: Elon in Israel !

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tinman, Mar 26, 2022.

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Who is for democracy?

  1. Elon

    33 vote(s)
    58.9%
  2. Twitter

    9 vote(s)
    16.1%
  3. Chinese democracy by Guns N Roses

    14 vote(s)
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  1. Invisible Fan

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    I'd comment what I truly think about ESPN rankings, but that would ruin all the fun. ;)
     
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    :confused::confused::confused:

    This makes zero sense. Unlike DeSantis, Obama won his first major, statewide election in a landslide.

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    Also, unlike DeSantis (who did worse than the previous five Florida Republican candidates for governor), Obama outperformed his Democratic predecessor (Carol Moseley Braun, 1998, lost by 3%) by 46 points (he also outperformed John Kerry’s 2004 Illinois numbers). Obama didn’t make a name for himself hitting every hot button culture war issue, either, like DeSantis. He didn’t even publicly support gay marriage until 2012. He catapulted his political career with one of the most middle-of-the-road speeches at the 2004 Democratic convention.



    This is the most celebrated part of that speech:

    Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America — there is the United States of America. There is not a black America and a white America and Latino America and Asian America — there's the United States of America. The pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too: We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don't like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States, and, yes, we've got some gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq...

    Not exactly a firebrand.

    Meanwhile, here’s DeSantis, picking fights with students because they won’t take off their masks...





    And picking fights with Disney over gay panic nonsense, which even bothered other Republican governors apparently...





    And here he is banning the imaginary monster under the bed, “CRT,” from schools...

    https://twitter.com/govrondesantis/status/1544712778459451392?s=21

    Gonna do real well in the suburbs with that shtick.

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/bidens-victory-came-from-the-suburbs/?amp

    Again, if you want to believe that DeSantis is a beloved man and will sail to an easy presidential election victory, go ahead, but it’s delusional. Also, bookmark this for 2024. I’ll be back then. Not going to keep making these posts with links and data while you just tell me how you and your neighbors are feeling these days.
     
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    You're going back and forth between governor bid and presidential bid. None of it matters if Trump runs.

    I said check back after the 2022 governor re-election. It will be closer to 5pts, not the 1 or 2 pts. I never said he was beloved. He just isnt as hated.

    Disney isn't moving employees because the new complex has been pushed off for a couple years. Not my words, Disney employees words.

    I can pick apart the rest but I have other things to do.
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    DeSantis was right.
     
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    you can now fight the power . . . by eating TEN DOLLAR POPSICLES !

     
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    Elon getting crushed by Del. Ch. - u hate to see it.



    There's something poetic about Trump getting held to account and Musk dealing with Chancery at the same time.

    Rule of Law is still dead/dying due to Republicans in the long run, but you take the Ws when you can
     
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    lol. are you surprised he took away all the good things about a subway system and replaced it with Teslas going 30mph...

    EDIT: all that to avoid a 15 minute walk...

    What's he going to do next? Drive Telsas through airport terminals?
     
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    Good try, musk bros but

    Only Twitter stockholders who held shares as of July 22 will be eligible to vote at the meeting eligible to vote at the meeting.
    So unless he's sitting on another $10 - 20 billion of secret, undisclosed Twitter holdings - this is just not remotely possible. (I mean he does like to break the law though, so you're saying there's a chance....)

    Even if it was possible its still probably a dumb idea. He'd be a majority shareholder and maybe kind of subject to duties to minority shareholders- who would want the merger to close and then sue him, and also the buyout would then maybe be a self dealing transaction - it would be very messy, and Del Ch would ultimately have the last say.



     
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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/twitters-ex-security-head-files-whistleblower-complaint-11661263009

    Twitter’s Ex-Security Head Files Whistleblower Complaint on Spam, Privacy Issues
    Former executive Peiter Zatko makes sweeping claims about the social-networking platform

    A whistleblower complaint by Twitter Inc.’s TWTR -1.44% former head of security alleging widespread mismanagement spurred new scrutiny of the social-media company, adding to its challenges as it prepares for its legal battle with Elon Musk.

    The complaint, which was submitted to the Securities and Exchange Commission last month and became public Tuesday, was made by Peiter Zatko, who was fired earlier this year. Mr. Zatko’s submission says that he “uncovered extreme, egregious deficiencies by Twitter in every area of his mandate,” including privacy, digital and physical security, platform integrity and content moderation.

    Among Mr. Zatko’s claims are that Twitter executives, including Chief Executive Parag Agrawal, deliberately undercounted the prevalence of spam on the platform. Those claims could further complicate Twitter’s battle with Mr. Musk, whom the company sued in July to enforce his $44 billion takeover deal. Mr. Musk has alleged Twitter misrepresented its business, particularly as it relates to the level of spam or bot accounts, which Twitter denies.


    The SEC declined to comment. The whistleblower complaint was also submitted to the Federal Trade Commission and the Justice Department. The Justice Department declined to comment. The FTC didn’t respond to a request for comment.

    A five-day nonjury trial over the stalled deal is scheduled to start Oct. 17 in Delaware Chancery Court.

    The existence of the whistleblower complaint was reported earlier on Tuesday by the Washington Post and CNN.

    A Twitter spokeswoman said Mr. Zatko was fired “for ineffective leadership and poor performance” and that the complaint “is riddled with inconsistencies and inaccuracies and lacks important context.”

    A lawyer for Mr. Musk said: “We have already issued a subpoena for Mr. Zatko, and we found his exit and that of other key employees curious in light of what we have been finding.”

    Twitter’s shares fell 7.3% in Tuesday trading to their lowest closing price in nearly a month.

    Mr. Zatko, a former hacker who is known as “Mudge,” has been a noted computer-security researcher for decades. He was a member of a Boston cybersecurity collective that came to prominence in 1998 when it offered warnings about the state of national cybersecurity in testimony to the U.S. Senate. During one Senate hearing, the group told lawmakers they could take down the internet in 30 minutes.

    He was hired by Twitter in late 2020 after stints at the payments company Stripe, Alphabet Inc.’s Google unit, and the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, known as Darpa, according to his LinkedIn profile.

    The whistleblower complaint adds a new dimension to the lawsuit over Musk’s intention to walk away from the deal, according to Charles Elson, founding director of the John L. Weinberg Center for Corporate Governance at the University of Delaware.

    “He is arguing that he was misled by Twitter” and the complaint suggests the same thing, Mr. Elson said. Mr. Zatko will be brought in as part of the discovery process, Mr. Elson said, and the judge will be tasked with deciding whether the allegations would have a material impact on Mr. Musk’s case.

    Like the Tesla Inc. CEO, Mr. Zatko alleges that Twitter miscounts users by focusing only on what are known as monetizable daily active users, or MDAUs, rather than all total daily users. The former category counts only those accounts that are thought to view advertising.

    “There are many millions of active accounts that are not considered ‘mDAU,’ either because they are spam bots, or because Twitter does not believe it can monetize them,” Mr. Zatko says in the complaint. “These millions of non-mDAU accounts are part of the median user’s experience on the platform.”

    Twitter has said it has a system for measuring users and spam that entails multiple human reviews of thousands of accounts sampled at random over time.

    Mr. Zatko says in the complaint that he attempted to formally notify Twitter’s board of his concerns but was steered off by Mr. Agrawal.

    John Tye, founder of Whistleblower Aid, an organization that helped file the whistleblower claims, said Mr. Zatko first approached the nonprofit in early March through the encrypted messaging app Signal. Mr. Tye said Mr. Zatko has never met or spoken with Mr. Musk and that Mr. Musk’s team hasn’t been in contact with the nonprofit about Mr. Zatko’s complaint.

    “He sees this whistleblowing as sort of the last resort,” Mr. Tye said of Mr. Zatko.

    Mr. Zatko was brought into Twitter by co-founder Jack Dorsey after a high-profile hack by a teenager who bypassed the company’s securities systems. Mr. Dorsey “specifically recruited Mudge for his reputation of speaking truth to power,” according to the complaint.

    Mr. Dorsey, however, was only a sporadic presence at the company, and the new hire—who had hundreds of staff reporting to him—was quickly overwhelmed by the task at hand, according to the complaint. At one point, Mr. Agrawal told his team, “Twitter has 10 years of unpaid security bills,” per the complaint.

    The relationship between Mr. Zatko and Twitter’s leadership deteriorated over the subsequent months, according to both parties. Mr. Zatko helped oversee a critical report on Twitter’s ability to fight misinformation and spam, which other executives watered down, according to the complaint. Mr. Zatko also said he was told by a Twitter lawyer that the changes were intended to hide the findings and prevent them from leaking internally or externally.
     

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