Either start Lin, or bring in a new starting PG, Bev ain't cuttin' it.

yes I am racist. :grin::

 

We need a real ball distributor. I think Beverley is a hell of a back-up PG, but not a true enough PG to be a starting guy. We have a million shooters, a couple iso players, and some bigs, but no guy to dish the ball around. i think we should trade Lin and Asik for Rondo.

 

This is to much logic for garm to handle. Defense and rebounding from a PG doest matter here they only want scoring

 

I'm not that big on Rondo. The only thing Rondo has over Lin is attitude and experience and maybe defense. I looked at Rondo actually play for years and his highlights and watched Lin in NYC and his highlights and Lin can pass the ball just as well as Rondo. Even as a player, he might not do the miracles many think he'll do and why don't people watch him play in January before jumping on the we need Rondo chorus line? He may play really poorly for awhile before he gets back into his game.

 

U have unhealthy obsession with Lin even when he has been injury / turnover prone and missing games. Take a Vacation gets some son or watch some other teams for a while.

 

No . It is not Anti-Lin to say this. What conclusions were drawn from the data? I would first ask why the games of an 18 point data set were split into 2 data sets of 9. Then I would ask what can we logically extract from this data. If we can't draw any significant conclusion's ,then one might ask why was this posted? Why would one compare two small data sets rather than larger data sets. I personally feel that very little if anything can be determined by examining and comparing these two data sets, with 9 data points each.

 

Was going to say 'unable to look at facts', 'biased' and to put it mildly, a little lacking 'up there' ... and certainly not very funny. But yeah, whatever ...

 

Facts? Facts are we badly new a upgrade at the one.both Lin and bev are different type of players, but both are not going to put us over the top.

 

Except that he makes no sense. The Rockets defensive scheme does not leave the PG on an 'island.' In fact, someone like Curry was often handled off the screen or switch by someone other than Bev. Lin also had time on Curry. Most of the time, the guards or any opposing player goes off in spurts is when Dwight is on the bench. The problem with Bev's 'elite' defense is that he often over-pursues and is a bit wild further exposing our team defense. With his skills I would rather he play more disciplined defense and work with the team defense as a whole and try to contain opposing offenses rather than trying to hit home runs all the time.

As far as Bev's fit as a starter. You can keep making the argument that somehow he's this perfect 'fit,' but even if you want a mere 3&D guy out there, there were 2 parts to this deal--defense and 3pt shooting for spacing. If Lin is going through a 'slump' with his 3pt shooting, what the heck is happening with Bev's? Holy cow.

 

Standard fluctuation in any player. Every player has his hot period and colder periods. Nothing big at all here. Lin's cooled off from 3 but that was to be expected. I would not count the injured games and those minutes because that will skew the stats. What Lin does well, get to the rim and score or draw fouls, has been consistent. Jump shots are either falling or not with everyone. We saw Curry twice and he didn't light us up yet look at what he did to the Clippers.

 

What do a great deal of Rockets fans think about Harden's defense and McHale's coaching?

What does 100% of the posters here that 'could' be labelled as LOHs or LOFHs think? All posts that doesn't praise Harden/Beverley/Brooks/McHale/Sampson are biased LOF posts. They don't belong here. And they're not Rockets only fans. And they think LOFs are increasing in number and increasing in the Harden/Beverley/McHale bashing when in fact it is just most posters coming to the realization that they have serious flaws that should not be immune from discussion.

A real Rockets only fan would have no issue about Lin being traded, provided we win the trade (either short-term or long-term, preferably both). A real Rockets only fan wouldn't want to face the prospect of Beverley being your main option at PG, especially if Harden faces time lost due to injury (which is unfortunately a good bet at this stage).

A real Rockets only fan would look past some over the top LOF and look at what's best for the Rockets. They would prioritize that over winning battles against the imaginary legion of LOFs that bashes McHale, Harden and Beverley without reason (when it's just a handful of them).

A fake Rockets only fan wants Lin to be traded, for a bag of peanuts just to show LOFs Lin isn't worth very much, even if the Rockets won't get anything in return for him. They want Lin out of here, but cannot stand LOFs wanting Lin to be out of here. They want players obviously worse than Jeremy to not only start but play the majority of minutes, to spite LOFs, despite what that means for the Rockets. They want a coach that plays Lin as little as possible, preferring a situational defensive spark back-up PG (who really isn't that good of a defender) to start, without regards for the quality of the coaching.

But like I said, the minute Lin is traded from the Rockets. You can bet Beverley and McHale will get a grace period of 8 to 12 games before these posters turn on him. They just want Lin out of here before they admit these guys aren't very good.

 

Rockets all time season assist leaders

1. john lucas 7.3 AVG
2. Steve francis 6.3 AVG
3. jeremy lin 6.1 AVG
4. art williams 6.0 AVG
5. james harden 5.8 AVG
6. rafer alston 5.7 AVG
7. Tracy Mcgrady 5.6 AVG
8. kyle lowry 5.6 AVG
9. clyde drexler 5.4 AVG
10. sleepy floyd 5.4 AVG

 

Opinion.

Unless you can substantiate what we can get.

I'd take 8-10 PGs over Lin irregardless of contracts any day of the week, but they're not available. Other PGs in the similar price range are no better or not available. Cheaper PGs may have a few areas of their games better than Lin, like Beverley in defending quicker/smaller PGs, but few have Lin's two-way game (very efficient and good offensively and not a liability defensively). Very few below Lin's price range can actually direct and run a team, or shoot efficiently, or not be a defensive liability, or can fill in for when Harden misses time.

Maybe what's written above is NOT fact.

But perhaps you can enlighten me with who the Rockets can 'actually' get and how he's better than Lin, with a better contract.

Also add I'm good with making PG position less of a priority and getting a 3rd star, eg at the PF position. But that's different to saying Lin cannot be a starting/heavy minutes PG on a contending team. That is saying we allow the PG position to be a position of weakness in order to be stronger in another position.

Awaiting your enlightenment on your PG of choice that is available.

 

And so if Beverley is also not the answer, as you've just stated, and he's 'starting' ... should he be immune from criticism? Because he has a cheap contract? Or do all the criticisms come from LOFs?

 

Spiegel's flowchart.

Join date before Jul 2012.
-> Says bad things about Jeremy Lin -> Rockets only fan
-> Says good thing about Jeremy Lin -> Converted (somehow) LOF

Join date after Jul 2012
-> Says bad things about Jeremy Lin -> Rockets only fan
-> Says good thing about Jeremy Lin -> Asian LOF

 

Maybe you overlooked the part when I said both Lin and bev are not the answer.

 

Ever heard of Yao fan converting into Lin fans. They are generally more into the rockets success instead of the rabid 2012-2013'ers who's existence is based on Lin stats and bashing the Rockets.

 

Lins strength is scoring. Creating for himself first.He is a SG in a points body.He could probably thrive in another team but what he brings Harden does it and does it better. What this team needs is pure playmaker.

Pass first guy who can the ball to the players sweet spots with enough time on the clock to make the offense run smoothly. We don't have one guy on this roster. That is why Morey went after Paul in the offseason and I hope he is going after Rondo now.

 

I'll have to agree with Gene on this one. This data does not tell us why Lin has a) played poorly or b) has received less minutes.

Lin came back from injury a few games, so he was limited on the court hence the bad shooting and less time. He also had a 17 min game I remember. Have to admit though, his 3pt shooting is not as great as earlier.

 

Lin can't pass first if he doesn't get the ball to make plays lol. Most of the time he just is asked to dump the ball to Harden at the top or drop it off to Dwight in the paint. We haven't even allowed Lin to be a passer yet if he was able to play that role more.