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Egyptians to Sue 'The Jews' for Compensation for Tons of Gold Stolen During Exodus

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  1. Ottomaton

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    This is somewhat amusing to me in the way that watching people making fools of themselves on COPS can sometimes be. I would point out that the story is four years old. I'm thinking since there are no updates it probably hasn't gotten too far.

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    The August 9, 2003 edition of the Egyptian weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi featured an interview with Dr. Nabil Hilmi, Dean of the Faculty of Law at the University of Al-Zaqaziq who, together with a group of Egyptian expatriates in Switzerland, is preparing an enormous lawsuit against "all the Jews of the world." The following are excerpts from the interview:

    Dr. Hilmi: "… Since the Jews make various demands of the Arabs and the world, and claim rights that they base on historical and religious sources, a group of Egyptians in Switzerland has opened the case of the so-called 'great exodus of the Jews from Pharaonic Egypt.' At that time, they stole from the Pharaonic Egyptians gold, jewelry, cooking utensils, silver ornaments, clothing, and more, leaving Egypt in the middle of the night with all this wealth, which today is priceless."

    Question: "What will the group of Egyptians in Switzerland do about this issue?"

    Hilmi: "Dr. Gamil Yaken, vice president of the Egyptian community in Switzerland, came to Egypt to collect information. We set up a legal team to prepare the necessary legal confrontation aimed at restoring what the Jews stole a long time ago, to which the statute of limitations cannot possibly apply. Furthermore, [the theft] is based on their holy book, the same source on which they relied when they invaded other peoples…

    "The Egyptian Pharaoh was surprised one day to discover thousands of Egyptian women crying under the palace balcony, asking for help and complaining that the Jews stole their clothing and jewels, in the greatest collective fraud history has ever known.

    "The theft was not limited to gold alone. The thieves stole everything imaginable. They emptied the Egyptian homes of cooking utensils. One of the women approached Pharaoh, her eyes downcast, and said that her Jewish neighbor who lived in the house on the right of her house had come to her and asked to borrow her gold items, claiming she had been invited to a wedding… The Jewish neighbor took [the items] and promised to return them the next day. A few minutes later, the neighbor to the left knocked on the door and asked to borrow the cooking utensils, because she was having guests for dinner. Using this same deceitful system, they took possession of all the cooking utensils…"

    Question: "It is clear why they stole the gold, but why the cooking utensils?"

    Hilmi: "Taking posession of the gold was understandable. This is clear theft of a host country's resources and treasure, something that fits the morals and character of the Jews. Yet what was not clear to the Egyptian women were the reasons for stealing the cooking utensils, when other things may have been of greater value. However, one of the Egyptian priets said that this had been the Jews' twisted way throughout history; they seek to cause a minor problem connected with the needs of everyday life so as to occupy people with these matters and prevent them from pursuing them to get back the stolen gold...

    "A police investigation revealed that Moses and Aaron, peace be upon them, understood that it was impossible to live in Egypt, despite its pleasures and even though the Egyptians included them in every activity, due to the Jews' perverse nature, to which the Egyptians had reconciled themselves, though with obvious unwillingness. Therefore, an order was issued by the Jewish rabbis to flee the country, and that the exodus should be secret and under cover of darkness and with the largest possible amount of loot. The code word was 'At midnight.' In addition, the Jewish women were told to steal the gold and cooking utensils of the Egyptian women, and that is what happened."

    Question: "Did they leave individually or as a group?"

    Hilmi: "They left in a convoy of 600,000, that is, about 120,000 families. There were a few wagons in the convoy, and a long line of donkeys loaded with the stolen goods… They crossed the desert in the heart of Sinai, in an attempt to confuse Pharaoh's army, which was on their trail… Later they rested and began to count the stolen gold, and discovered that it reached 300,000 kg of gold."

    Question: "But the Jews can cast doubt on this story with their usual methods. What is the religious evidence you said is in the Torah?"

    Hilmi: "Naturally, the Jews cast doubt on this story because that is in their interest. But the answer would be that the story is based on what is written in the Torah. It can be found in Exodus, [Chapter] 35, verses 12 through 36…"

    Question: "So what arguments can be made in support of getting back our stolen gold?"

    Hilmi: "There are two types of claims, one religious and the other legal. From a religious standpoint, all monotheistic religions have called not to steal… It is also in the Ten Commandments, which the Jews were ordered [to observe]. Therefore, they have a basic religious obligation to return what was stolen, if it exists.

    "From a legal standpoint, fleeing with the Egyptians' goods could be for the purpose of borrowing or for the purpose of stealing. If it is for the purpose of borrowing, legally it has a temporary dimension, not a permanent dimension, and therefore they must return [the gold], with interest, to its owners.

    "On the other hand, if the Jews took the goods from the Egyptians not for the purpose of borrowing it but to keep them for themselves, by legal norms this is theft, and therefore they must return the stolen goods to their owners, in addition to the interest for its use over the entire period of the theft."

    Question: "What do you think is the value of the gold, silver, and clothing that was stolen, and how do you calculate their value today?"

    Hilmi: "If we assume that the weight of what was stolen was one ton, [its worth] doubled every 20 years, even if the annual interest is only 5%. In one ton of gold is 700 kg of pure gold – and we must remember that what was stolen was jewelry, that is, alloyed with copper. Hence, after 1,000 years, it would be worth 1,125,898,240 million tons, which equals 1,125,898 billion tons for 1,000 years. In other words, 1,125 trillion tons of gold, that is, a million multiplied by a million tons of gold. This is for one stolen ton. The stolen gold is estimated at 300 tons, and it was not stolen for 1,000 years, but for 5,758 years, by the Jewish reckoning. Therefore, the debt is very large…

    "The value must be calculated precisely in accordance with the information collected, and afterward a lawsuit must be filed against all the Jews of the world, and against the Jews of Israel in particular, so they will repay the Egyptians the debt that appears in the Torah."

    Question: "Is a compromise solution possible?"

    Hilmi: "There may be a compromise solution. The debt can be rescheduled over 1,000 years, with the addition of the cumulative interest during that period."

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    That last line from Hilmi is priceless.
     
  2. SamFisher

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    Suing the jews is always a horrible idea given the attorneys at their disposal
     
  3. leroy

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    Crap. I just bought a new car. How the hell am I supposed to pay thousands of years worth of interest?
     
  4. tigermission1

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    You can sue the Jews. :p

    Seriously though, I heard about this story back in the day and it was apparently more or less a publicity stunt. These guys were trying to make a point, I guess.

    I find the whole thing amusing...
     
  5. Dairy Ashford

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    I think the rhetorical point about making material claims based on religious and historical issues is a sound one, and it's nice to not hear the terms "jihad" or "Holocaust myth" in a thoughtful Middle Eastern screed, for a change. (The point being that Ahmadinejad and Bin Ladin are, lamentably, pretty good speakers.) I'd also bet that some sort of broad-based monetary compensation is a large component of an eventual long-term Israel-Palestine statehood, and broader Arab-Persian/Israeli peace agreement.

    On a side note, do Kurds have a known/unified opinion about the state of Israel?
     
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  7. Sishir Chang

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    It sounds like the people doing this know that there is no chance of this succeeding and are doing this instead to raise debate on the use of Biblical justification for present day policies.
     
  8. MadMax

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    i think their using sarcasm to make the point that lawsuits for things that happened generations back are silly.
     
  9. Saint Louis

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    If you can't beat them, sue them.
     
  10. Rocket River

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    Didn't the Jews Sue the Swiss for WWII or something?
    Because of the Stolen property was taken to their banks?

    Rocket River
    Why are some people's hurts . . . more worthy of sympathy and compensation
    than others?
    Why not just Chock it all up as the 'spoils of war'?
    [rhetorical questions]
     
  11. MadMax

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    i'm really not arguing one way or the other, RR. i do believe the Jews who sued the Swiss were people who were involved in the holocaust who actually lost money...or people who were the sons and daughters who could literally track actual dollars lost from an estate. so it wasn't about hurt...it was about traceable dollars. courts are much more comfortable with traceable dollars when it comes time to award damages.

    but i was just pointing out what i thought this was about, anyway...sarcasm.
     
  12. SWTsig

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    good luck with all.... that.
     
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    So, I have to save money for property taxes, and now I have to save money for this as well?

    I ain't never gonna get to retire.... :( ;) :D
     
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    The stolen gold is estimated at 300 tons, and it was not stolen for 1,000 years, but for 5,758 years, by the Jewish reckoning. Therefore, the debt is very large…
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    Hold all my calls...
     
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    This is a picture of Chewbacca...
     
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    Chewbacca is a wookie...
     
  17. Sishir Chang

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    A wookie living on Endor.
     
  18. Daedalus

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    Jackie is not involved. He refused the case, consequently ....... Stan the Caddie is representing the plaintiffs. Could a settlement of free motza balls for all Egyptians be far behind?

    Giddyup!
     
  19. MadMax

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    "have her try on the bra."
     
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