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eddie needs to end games not kenny

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Yao1134, Dec 13, 2002.

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  1. Yao1134

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    rudy just made the game losing mistake probably. eddie is a way better defender and clutch shooter kenny is a cancer in the end of games!
     
  2. peleincubus

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    He is a cancer, I thought those were not visible to the human eye.:confused: :confused: :confused:
     
  3. basketball

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    I think it's time to let Eddie play major minutes and in crunch time again. At least when he is not scoring, Eddie can block shot and play defense. He might save Mings some foul by able to cover the guards mistake on defense. He doesn't force up wild shot and seem to play more in control. Even though his offense is limit to three pointers and turn around in low post, we really don't need big scoring from the power forward position at this time. He doesn't play selfish and he definitely make it harder for the other team to score against us.
     
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    Eddie needs to start and end games. Kenny can go play in Italy for all I care.
     
  5. Jared Novak

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    Well said.
     
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    I dont know about that, but Rudy should have put more defense pressure on Paul. This guy can score. Rox should have double team on him in the first half.
     
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    Amen to this whole thread. I should've used my time on TV and expressed my hate for Kenny. :mad: I hate that guy.

    Eddie is the man.
     
  8. Dreamlead

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    I like Eddie a lot. It helps though that I have him on my fantasy team:D . I do say that Eddie has come through the past few games, but remember not too long ago Eddie wasn't able to make anything and Kenny made some nice contributions. Today Eddie may have had 4 blocks but Pau still dominated. I hope Eddie also learns to keep thoes fouls away, he was in fould trouble with 4 PF.
    This Power Forward position is something Rocket fans can keep on arguing, because no PF has ever been consistent in like 10 straight games.
     
  9. Yetti

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    Hate is a distinct mark of the Devil and should be avoid at all costs when thinking or talking about our Brothers and Sisters!! That being said, Rudy made no effort to put the best team out there for the overtime, neither Rice or KT should have been playing! No hate, just a bad Rudy decision!
     
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    Eddie is a better help defender. But Kenny seems to be better one on one. Gasol was kicking Eddies ass in the second quarter. He couldnt do much against Kenny though.

    Eddie has been coming out of his slump the last couple of games. Thats because he is going against the opponents second tier guys. Starting him against the bigger fours of the league will probably shatter his confidence again. He just isnt big enough yet.

    Finishing games on the other hand.....
     
  11. pasox2

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    Amen.

    What was Rudy thinking? Geez, try Tmo and Hawk, if nothing else, but don't stick KT and Rice out there on a defensive stop. Pure defense with timeouts - may as well run Yao, Eddie, Tmo, Hawk, SF.

    Also. When a dainty flower like Gasol is ripping you up, beat the crap out of him! Unleash Cato on him just for menace and punishment. Punch him in the stomach for a little extra. Make him eat hardwood on at least 4 fouls. Make him grimace with pain when the lane opens. Do this before crunch time, please.

    We really need size, force and power at the 4 from someone else.

    KT's iso crap last nite should land his butt somewhere else, natch, pronto.
     
  12. Bailey

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    One loss, and here come the KT bashers... again :rolleyes:

    Granted, Eddie has hit some nice clutchc shots, but way better defender?

    Way better shot blocker, yes, but defender, no way!
     
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    Ahhh another voice of reason.

    KT took the least amout of shots of any of the starters, yet he gets blamed.

    KT missed less shots than any of the other starters, yet he gets blamed.

    Gasol has a good game because he got 16 shots at the line. Who fouled him the most? Yao and Eddie. Who gets blamed for letting him go off? KT. KT actually did a respectable job on Gasol. Definately no worse than the job EG did.

    KT had the second most rebounds of all the starters, yet played less minutes than all 4 of them, yet he gets blamed.
     
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    I do admit, KT did made things hard on Gasol a little bit, he roughed him up somewhat...But you cannot blame it on Yao or anybody else for fouling Gasol as a coverup to Kenny's mistakes...Kenny gambled on a couple of plays defensivly on Gasol trying to shoot get the steal twice in the first quarter (horrible defense), what happend? Yao was there to protect and at least on one occasion Yao fouled Gasol...Kenny did do a respectable job of containing Gasol though...he actually played better defense on Gasol tonight then Griff (EG is a better helpout defender tonight though)....He actually played ok compared to his earlier games in the season...but PLEASE RUDY DO NOT POST HIM UP AGAIN PLEASE....

    on today's game, KT should not be the blame, it should be our playcalling down the stretch and OT....so many ISO's and razzle dazzle dribbles its unreal...we did NOT play as a team tonight, that's the reason why we lost...PERIOD...we need to have 4-5 passes per posession...not 80 dibbles by one person per possession, that's not team ball...that's stupid ball if you ask me...
     
  15. heypartner

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    Griffin had the chance to finish the game, but Gasol was kicking his butt going right to the rim. Kenny subbed at around 4:00 minutes left in regulation and Gasol never scored again until the time Yao got mismatched with him. When Kenny was on Gasol, he couldn't get to the rim, except for the two time Kenny went for the steal of the pass as ChenZhen pointed out, one of which he had the ball hooked, and Pau got delayed by that, but Yao's help defense was slow.

    as for overtime....

    Did you all not see the charging foul KT collected on the 1st possession of overtime against Pau? The next time they went to him KT stripped him for the Mobley fastbreak, which was half our points in overtime.

    Face it, guys; we lost because of Person and Williams were hot, and Francis's poor drives in the end of regulation and overtime.

    Eddie can only get blocks at the rim, the other times are easy 1-2 foot shots. That is not reliable defense, imo, and that's why Rudy pulled him at the end for Kenny's better positional defense.
     
  16. Timing

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    KT apparently loses more games than any player in the history of basketball. It's amazing he can stick with any team much less start for this one. A bona fide miracle I tell ya.
     
  17. pchan

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    stop blaming KT for everything... Griffin is a better shotblocker, but that does not mean his defense is necesarily better. Griffin offense is just too one dimensional right now.

    KT may be a black hole sometimes, but in the games when the whole team is passing and sharing, KT was very effective and rarely have those black hole plays. KT may not the be the ideal power forward for the team, but give the guy a break...

    Griffin may have more potential, and he had his opportunities too, he just had not done enough yet. May be he is just not strong enough or he doesn't have the confidence. He just needs more times to adjust mentally, when his mind and his game come together, he'll be ready, then rudy will play him at crunch time.

    Do you really believe that guys like Francis, Yao, and Rudy will let a role player lose the game for them??
     
  18. RocketsRuuule

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    i have to admit that kenny's defense is pretty good....but the problem comes when he has the ball on offense.

    he gets the ball...and he has to hold the ball for a good 3 or 4 seconds before he does anything....and that is not the type of offense that we do well in. and there are SOOOOO many times he should pass the ball...but he doesnt....why????

    because he is in a contract year..and the rockets didn't offer him an extension...so he is going to do anything he can to make his value higher...which explains why he is soo dang selfish on offense.

    and dont give me one example of a pass...because on the whole...he is one black hole...but a black hole that takes tooo long to do anything when he gets it.

    so eddie being the less selfish player who can block shots...should get more playing time imo. it all about the team guys...not contracts.

    my 2.5 cents....
     
  19. pippendagimp

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    I knew black holes were dense, but not the fans of black holes :p :D
     
  20. heypartner

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    there were at least 5 cases in this game where Kenny held the ball for 3-4 seconds and passed to Mobley coming around Ming and Mobley then gets it to Ming. This is a simple play where Mobley coming around a low post pick by Ming is meant to make a simpler entry pass to Ming from Mobley. This is nothing about Kenny even looking at the basket; he's just waiting for Mobley to fight through.

    This is what Rudy was referring to when he said they needed to work on new ways to get Yao the ball from different angles. If you are counting those plays as disrupting the flow, reconsider. It is all about running a play. If anything, the timing between Francis getting it to Kenny in the high post and Mobley cutting based on that is off.

    I seriously and honestly only saw about 3-4 times of Kenny ISOing from the high post for his drives, with just fine success. He missed his first 2 shots on our standard PF plays to open the games, and went 3-5 from there. And he didn't shoot once from the outside. A couple of times he drove immediately upons getting the ball, and those are good slashing plays, imo.

    Overrall a perfectly fine game with the 10 boards, solid defense on Gasol and picking his spots on offense. I really don't get it what you guys are seeing with the blackhole business being some big huge problem.
     

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