Several threads have alluded to this being a possible trade CD is exploring. Realizing this is a long, long-shot, I thought it might be interesting to give the subject its own thread. Maybe someone can dream up a trade and sales pitch CD could use to woo Krause. $hit, I guess a magic spell might even be worthwhile. Anyway, I'd love to build our front line around "The Eddies" and would be interested to see what everyone else things. Mase, Jackson, McCoy or a chance at Curry? Hmmm. What do you guys/gals think?
What is wrong with you? The Bulls basically traded away their best player to get Chandler and enable them to have the 2 high-schoolers to build around for the future. The ONLY thing that we could possibly offer them to get them to give us Curry would be Steve Francis, other than that and the Bulls just wouldn't consider it. Forget about Curry
Achebe is also "exploring" several different 3-some opportunities with his wife and various celebrities...that doesn't mean they have any chance of happening.
Let's nip this in the bud. Give it some perspective. I have heard a bushel load of rumors to that effect for some time. Some apparently from fairly well positioned sources. BUT ...... .......and this is a big but ....... ....... I have some good sources in the north and have been unable to verify or even come close to a relliable confirmation. That is not to say it is not true, nor deny it any validity ... but at best it can only be classed as a fan-site rumor at this point ..... to ask for more would invite ridicule .... ..... that being said, and at the risk of further uncontrolled freehand speculation let me say this: 1. Chicago and Houston have talked off and on this previous season, prior to and after draft night. Spring trade deadline dates had a swirl of rumors between Houston and a number of other teams. Chicago was among them. Coach Tim Floyd has had experience with Kelvin Cato ( the most talked about player to be involved in any deal) and Bill Berry is of course an old buddy and former assistant with RT and the guys 2. It was rumored that the acquisition of Oakley by the Bulls signaled a move by Jerry Krause to "meat up" his middle and this further increased the Cato to Chicago rumors. Lets not forget that when willing to "body up" - well, Cato will body up with the best! The fact that historically Cato appears undermotivated at times, and Oakley being a proactive, aggressive court and lockerroom leader on previous teams (Toronto,New York) lead some to say he may be able to help Cato's lack of enthusiasm. This all seemed to add even more fuel to the rumor fire. 3. Krause has been crticized about his recent draft and trade moves by the Chicago media. Trading off an experienced first rounder (Brand) to acquire another less experienced one did not endear him with all the fans. Stacking the roster with kids (Tyson Chandler and Curry) who will likely be both pushed into yeomen diuty this season has caused even more criticism. It seems as though he has been chastised as much as appalauded for his rebuilding "efforts". The forces that want a Bulls team that can win now, or a Bulls team with an "in your face" attitude, or a team that will offer some respectable competition in their Conference may be winning out. It could be argued that the Bulls are weak in the middle and Curry cannot help them their now, that Curry may take time from Oakley who clearly will be the floor general this coming season. Skinner will get time at the 3-4 becasue he is a workhorse. It also being argued from the El to the shoreline, that this team only needs one rookie project at a time. If it comes to that - Tyson Chandler - will win hands down. 4. During several impromptu exchanges this summer Krause lashed back at reporters with comments like: " .... how do you know I will sign him(Curry)" and " ... what makes you think he (Curry) will be here in October...". Admittedly, this is classic Krause and it is hard to read anything into some of his comments. During Summer Camp he said he was pleased with the draftees but felt that Tyson Chandler was "... the real prize... ". This on the heels of a fairly decent outing Curry had against his rookie peers. 5. Curry and Chandler are not signed yet. This is the case with our draftee also. We are holding on Griffin to give us some leeway in at least one more signing and a possible trade to fill our immediate needs. I am comfortable in the knowledge that Griffin is solidly in the Rocket family, and the non-signing is related to the narrow beam we are tightrope walking with the CBA cap line. Chicago may be excused for the same reasons, but they still have TWO ... that is TWO .... premiere first rounders dangling out there. And, lets face it, their needs are many. They will not get any help in the middle with Ron Artest as bait. Krause has been dangling Artest for a while and it is obvious he needs something else. 6. On the surface, a deal sending Curry to anyone would sound like a "blockbuster deal". And, why Houston of all places? Why Cato? Dang! But the reality of the situation is there are only so many moves that can be made at specific times. Only so many teams that can get it done. The fact that a lot of teams have already made their moves and have designed their roster, or have used up their capspace. Some have passed on most of their options, most have no options left. Cato, indeed. The last absolutely reliable information I had stated that Chicago was interested, but the Rockets did not feel they were getting what they felt Cato was worth. 7. Please keep in mind that to pull off a Curry deal ... well, that would be an absolute slap in the face of every GM in the league by our rotund, bespec-ed Mr CD...... It would likely take the cooperation of at least one more team. We are on the skids with the Maurice Taylor injury and frankly I cannot see any other GM helping us out of that hole. I mean can you see opponents like Pat Riley saying: "...Gee guys let me help you up a bit ... give you a hand ... that's a terrible thing with that Taylor guy..... " ? Yeah. Right. 8. My gut feeling is that the time that any Curry move COULD have been done, has long since past. The cost of acquiring Curry is probably prohibitive for a lot of teams, including us. We are talking picks(we owes as many as we have) and large player values. No, I think CD will opt to go after Jackson, or Mase, or both, or some combo of similiar moves and call it a successful summer despite the recent injury. It is not the end of the world. Cheers.
Not true. So soon we forget about our #7 pick who likely is top three talent. Griffin and Moochie could get it done....or something similar. but anyone who thinks the package wouldn't include Francis or Griffin is wasting bandwidth.
What does that mean? Aren't your rumors fan-site rumors? Why not call it a Vescey-rumor? That would probably be more accurate.
Hey, don't pin the Curry rumor on me... Oeilpere, I'm wondering about this statement you made: "The last absolutely reliable information I had stated that Chicago was interested, but the Rockets did not feel they were getting what they felt Cato was worth." Do you know who Chicago was dangling in that supposed Cato trade? Was it merely an Artest for Cato swap? Since that trade was nixed by the Rockets, what is Cato's supposed worth? I wonder if Chicago would be at all receptive to a Cato & Moochie trade (if it's even possible)...
i believe i can clarify that one for you: the rockets wanted a whole 1/2 ounce of weed for cato. chicago had the audacity to only offer a 1/4 ounce that still had the seeds and stems! the nerve of those bastards!
Walter Skinner, A.D. - X-Files Scully's running the 4 (i'd love for her to post me up, hehe). Mulder's the "eye in the sky" looking for any controversial calls by david stern's puppets...er..referees.
My Bad ..... Skinner went over to Toronto in the Oakley trade. If you have never seen him play ... he played a poor center spot in the West and will probably do better in the East. But IMHO he was vastly underused in California at the four. I really like how he played us. RT remembers the matchup problems he had. He is a long drink of water, man. Anyway sorry for the confusion. I was attempting to make my point again. (Damn facts!!!!!!!!!!!! They just get in the way - LOL ) My point was though, that Chicago has something like seven four- fives all who will be competing with/against/etc ... fopr the ball. It will be a busy depth conversion - and there is only one ball ..... Most of these fives are marginal at best.
No problem, op, but did you notice how subtle I was? My mommy'd be proud... Ok, now I know I'm opening up a can of worms here, but IF we are indeed looking long-term again, what would you all think of this kind of move? Houston trades : Cato, Mobley, etc... to Chicago for : Curry, Artest, 1st pick, etc...with picks and other players to smooth the bumps... Now, I know that there are several reasons AGAINST trading Mobley, not the least of which is his chemistry with Francis, but this kind of trade would really make us an interesting team down the road...We'd have Artest to provide the wing D we currently lack, Rice would be able to be our clear #2 on offense, and our future inside game would boast 2 potential dominators whose games complement each other. Of course, if trading Mobley made it unlikely that Francis would re-sign, than the whole point is moot...But there are advantages...We would see Francis become the go-to guy, or not...but at least we'd find out...Our offensive distribution would be better than it currently is, and we'd have at least one guy out there playing tough D...Our inside-outside game would be potentialy deadly... This was just a spur of the moment thing, and obviously details like salary would have to be ironed out, but...well, what do you guys think? Again, I'm only throwing this out there on the assumption that we are indeed looking at this year as another developmental one...And the kicker is that we'd have Chicago's pick THIS YEAR....that would, in my scenario, be a deal-maker...We could draft a future replacement for Rice, or a 2 and Artest could slide back to 3...Chicago's pick this year will still be a good one...
O Revered One, No one will help us! But what is we help them? A three way with G.S. could help them get rid of Mookie and resolve the Jackson "situation." Just off the top of my head, w/o checking salaries, etc., how about Cato, Moochie, and a #1 to Chicago ~ 8 million Walt to G.S. ~ 5 million Jackson and Blaylock to Houston ~ 6 million Curry and Mercer (?) to Houston ~ 8 million And scrubs all 'round! Oh, well ... never happen, I know. Who would want Blaylock and Mercer as your second string guards?
Cool, can I get in on this. Instead of trading Mobley and Cato for a high schooler, why don't we trade Francis to Washington for the best high schooler: Kwama Brown and a future #1 pick. With Brown and Griffin growing together, we'd have the *best* defense in the league in a few years. Plus, we would purge ourselves of Francis's impending $11m cap hit when Duncan becomes a free agent. This would give us a much better chance attracting Duncan, as Kwama could be the Center that Duncan requires, and Griffin could be the small forward he really wants to be. PGs are easy to replace....trade up our best for a chance at the best frontline in the game. In two years, this would give us: Kwama Brown-C Duncan-PF Griffin-SF Mobley-SG some good disher-PG quite possibly the best defense ever! Ideas to trade Mobley never match dreamcasting to trade Francis.
Trade Francis? Why ... I think he's being sarcastic! I would never trade Francis. Nor Mobley. But I would S&T Moochie.
Why are there people in such a big hurry to get rid of Mobley!? First of all to the people who still have it in their heads that Mobley is preventing Francis from becoming a go-to guy, Mobley isn't stopping Francis, FRANCIS is stopping Francis. Why do you think Rudy is trying to get him to shoot more? As for better ball distribution, what good is there moving the ball if you just got rid of one of your most dangerous offensive weapons!!?? And I know you don't plan on moving the ball to Artest, because you can move it to him all you want, it doesn't mean he's going to suddenly start hitting shots. I just don't get why people want to break up an explosive backcourt when we can just get big men to fill the holes.
