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Early details on the Fannie Freddie bailout

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Invisible Fan, Sep 6, 2008.

  1. Invisible Fan

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    There's more links in the original URL
    http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/09/fannie-freddi-1.html

    Last evening, we asked what are the costs and consequences, as well as the market reaction to, the imminent bailout of Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE). responses were inspired and informative. (For a brief history of the GSEs, see this earlier commentary).

    This morning, its page one news. Here's what the major papers are suggesting is the likely outcome:

    • Conservatorship: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will be brought under government control; The assumption is this is a temporary measure (12-24 months);

    • Management: will be kicked out, starting with Fannie Mae CEO Daniel Mudd as well as Freddie Mac CEO Richard Syron. (No word if Charlie Gasparino is defending the two on CNBC). The current Board of Directors would also be fired;no word on other senior management;

    • Shareholders: Speculation is that most (but not all) of the common stock would be diluted but not wiped out; Company debt and preferred shares are likely to be protected according to the Washington Post. A variation comes The New York Times, which stated that both the common and the $36 billion of outstanding preferreds "would be reduced to little or nothing."

    In a typical recapitalization, preferreds, which are equity, receive little if anything.

    • Mortgages: held by FNM/FRE would be guaranteed by taxpayers. This is approximately $5+ trillion dollars, the vast majority of which are sound. (Remember, Fannie was not allowed to buy subn-prime). If 3% of these go bad -- a historically high estimate -- that would amount to ~$150 billion dollars;

    • Legislation: President Bush signed the law that gave the government the authority to inject billions of dollars into the companies through investments or loans. At the time, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson said there were no plans to actually use the money, it was to help the firms raise capital.

    • Foreign Holders: NYT: "With foreign governments increasingly skittish about holding billions of dollars in securities issued by the companies, no sign that their losses will abate any time soon, and the inability of the companies to raise new capital" forced the government's hand;

    Foreign central banks are key investors in Fannie and Freddie paper, and they have been losing confidence in the GSEs. Barron's reports that "Fed data offer circumstantial evidence of, if not of a run, then of a steady walking away from Fannie and Freddie securities."

    • Financial sector: With losses of about $500 Billion, and quite a few billion more to go, the hope is that the relief to FNM/FRE eventually finds its way to the entire sector.

    Note that the Preferreds of both companies are primarily banks, many of which already are already suffering from the effects of the credit crunch and mortgage debacle. A bailout of the Preferreds would amount to a $36 billion bailout of the entire financial sector.

    • Politics: With both conventions now over (were the GSEs even mentioned?) the Presidential election starts to heat up. The closer we came to November 4th, the greater the risk of political complications. Hence, the bailout sooner rather than later;

    • Timing: Any Decision is likely to be announced Sunday, before Asian markets open. Some are speculating that this is an attempt to get out in front, rather than waiting for a "financial tipping point, as happened with Bear Stearns;" Delaying a rescue might also increase the "risks and costs."

    • Insolvency: Armando Falcon Jr., who from 1999 to 2005 headed the agency that oversaw the companies' financial stability, believes the GSEs are already insolvent. "I would force the more accurate accounting of their assets and liabilities, and that would show them to be insolvent," Falcon said in an interview. He added that additional delay to receivership "only digs taxpayers into a deeper hole."

    One more note: Anytime the government obtains authority to do something -- go to war, spend money on bailouts -- it is identical to actually authorizing the act. Meaning that yes, it will eventually occur. Claiming you are merely granting authority only serves to make the act more politically palatable, but don't ever kid yourself -- it is no different than the actual act.

    In practice, the act of authorizing a fill in the blank (war, bailout, whatever) is the same as declaring (war, bailout). The two are identical.

    More on the bailout to come . . .


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  2. rimrocker

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    Blah, blah, blah.

    Do either one of these Frannies make American flags? If not, I don't care.

    Country First!
     
  3. Dubious

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    It's OK. We're here from the government.

    Fatcats dergulate, get rich, dump their ***** into the lap of the middle class taxpayers.

    Danny, how high was that pile of cash you got?
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  4. halfbreed

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    Isn't the problem with Freddie and Fannie that they were neither fully regulated nor fully independent? Or am I missing something?
     
  5. Dubious

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    Fannie and Freddie were the engines of the American dream for almost 40 years until the bankers figured out that with their buddies in charge, they could collect fees on any risky loan and the only ones left holding the bag would be the same middle class taxpayer that they dupe in every election with patriotic and religious bull****.

    Government oversight doesn't reduce growth, it reduces greed and malfeasance.

    The CEO's of Freddie and Fannie made over $30 million dollars last year in bonuses using the faith and credit of the United States as collateral and now the companies are basically insolvent. Is that not criminal?

    If you ran your business this way, running up bad debt on your American Express Business Card , you would end up in jail.
     
  6. JeopardE

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    I've been wondering what happens to the preferred stock. I know this is where many of the big banks could hurt the most -- you wipe that out, there will be more big write downs.

    FNM and FRE will probably crash in premarket, but I wonder if most of these losses have already been priced into the financials anyway.
     
  7. Dubious

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    Talking to my nephew the broker last night, he said he had clients still calling in to buy the common last week.
     
  8. JeopardE

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    Yeah epic fail there ... common is worth $0 now.

    IMHO, anybody who didn't take advantage of the last rally to dump their shares was an idiot. Everybody saw this coming a long time ago, and the way the financials traded July-August, this bailout was almost being taken for granted.
     
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  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    what the government has to regulate is mortgage lending. buying a house shouldn't be easy
     
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  12. DaDakota

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    Just print more money, what could go wrong?

    DD
     
  13. thelasik

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    :eek: :eek:

    FNM and FRE trading has been halted in premarket though. Not sure what effect it will have on the market once FRE/FNM trading resumes at 830CST
     
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    ugh **** i blew this trade so hard.......... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: that's what i get for taking a week off and getting off my game.....rawr hulk angry!!
     
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    I don't think this rally will last past one day. The bears are going to ambush the poor lambs.
     
  16. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    I don't agree with this statement. It should be easy to buy a house that people can afford. The problem is that people were buy houses they couldn't afford.
     
  17. Air Langhi

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    Would be good time to start building a short position on financials.
     
  18. Invisible Fan

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    Roubini:
    This bailout plan has features that exacerbate the moral hazard of this government intervention and the overall fiscal costs of such intervention. Specifically:
    1) common shareholders instead of being fully wiped out will only be diluted and hold about 20% ownership of the GSEs.
    2)
    we estimated in June that the eventual losses for the government from this bailout could be as high as $200 to $300 billion (i.e. 5% ultimate losses in view of mostly prime portfolio,) an estimate that is now shared by former Fed Governor William Poole.
    3)
    the current preferred shareholders will not be fully wiped out.
    4)
    the subordinated debt holders and the unsecured debt holder will not be subject to a haircut--> government preferred shares are junior to debtholders.
    5)
    while not hitting the unsecured debt holders may have made some sense (large foreign holdings), not touching the subordinated debt of the GSE makes no sense.
    6)
    as argued before, other than nationalization, the proper way to recapitalize F&F was to convert part of the agency debt into equity. -->see overview of long-term solutions.
    7)
    the government plan includes the provision of unspecified credit lines to Fannie and Freddie and to the other 12 FHLBs. Since this provision of credit is a form of debtor in possession financing – like IMF lending to countries under distress – it should be de jure senior to the debt issued by the GSEs; it should also be senior to the mortgage claims that the GSEs have guaranteed. Treasury is silent about that.
    8) purchase of mortgage-backed debt issued by the GSEs in the open market is another form of government intervention and manipulation of the MBS market that is totally unwarranted.
    9) the short term increase in the portfolio of the GSEs is reckless and a further waste of taxpayers’ money.
    10) This plan does nothing to restore the long term viability and efficiency of such institutions. It is just a very expensive taxpayers’ funded bailout of the shareholders and creditors of these institutions.
     
  19. rhadamanthus

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    The things I would give to escape from this maniacal and farcical capitalism.
     
  20. pgabriel

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    I wonder if most people understand the implications of not having these organizations. (i'm not responding to your post necessarily which is a different subject) how would not having the organizations around really hurt the mortgage industry. banks do not like doing 30 year loans. could there be a private player or players to step in their place? if people are willing to buy mortgage backed securities, is there a need for these entities. i really don't know.
     

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