1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Dwight and Dream Moves

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BackNthDay, Oct 29, 2013.

  1. BackNthDay

    BackNthDay Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2006
    Messages:
    3,570
    Likes Received:
    469
    Please feel free to lock if this has been discussed at length.

    However, I've watched several practice tapes of Dwight practicing with Dream on his legendary post/face up moves and he continues to do the same predictable Georgetown moves that Shaq kills him about. Fake left or right and go the opposite way when he faces up.

    In addition, the post/face up moves are in super slow motion, allowing inferior centers to defend him. I have seen very few spins, quick, pump fake, or any of the moves that Dream and Dwight have practiced.

    Come on D12, if you want to take us to the next level. U have 2 of the best all time low post players, let's start using what they've taught you.
     
  2. durvasa

    durvasa Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2006
    Messages:
    38,308
    Likes Received:
    15,951
    He'll turn the ball over 6 times a game if he tries to play like Hakeem.
     
  3. HTown_TMac

    HTown_TMac Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2006
    Messages:
    4,530
    Likes Received:
    1,518
    While Dream may be teaching him moves, it's not as easy for someone to learn those moves.. Seeing as he has taught a number of players 'his moves' and no one has been able to replicate them. It's harder to do something full speed, than in practice.
     
  4. LAC

    LAC Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2013
    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    10
    Per half
     
  5. Captain Hook

    Captain Hook Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2010
    Messages:
    1,394
    Likes Received:
    616
    If Dwight can just stay healthy, im fine with the skill set he already has. He can improve a little bit on his post moves, but we will need him for his ability to play the pick and roll.
     
  6. kuku

    kuku Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2012
    Messages:
    2,158
    Likes Received:
    125
    Dwight's post game is not, in any way, something that should be considered a strength. He averaged just .74 PPP posting up, ranked 121st in the league. That means that every team had FOUR players more adept than Dwight in post ups.

    I know what people gonna say next. But...but he was recovering from back surgery. Even at the height of his powers, Dwight was never all that good as a post up player. In '09-'10, he ranked 67th in post up play, and '10-'11, he ranked 56th.

    Dwight had always been an amazing player in spite of his post game, not because of it. With a decade experience in NBA, it would be incredibly ignorant to expect Dwight to improve significantly from this point forward. Dwight Howard is what he is, and being a strong post up player is not who he is or will unlikely ever be.

    Dwight's strength in offensively? The roll man in the PnR. In the 3 years prior to his surgery, Dwight ranked 1st, 1st and 2nd in the league in PPP as the roll man. His PnR game last year? It declined just like everything else due to recovery from his surgery. His ranking fell all the way to....9th. Despite his worst season in recent history and struggled mightily, he was STILL a top ten roll man.

    PnR is one of the most difficult plays to stop and lethal with a combination of deadly shooter/passer as ball handler and speed/athletic roll man. Harden and Dwight fit the description to a tee. Stockton and Malone ran PnR's for years. Team knew PnR were coming but no team could stop them consistently. If they hadn't ran into prime Jordan, Jazz could easily won two championships.

    I'm not against running post ups for Dwight, but only on a limited basis. I know he wants his own legacy. Post ups is a one man game while PnR requires two players.

    His clocking is ticking and time definitely not on his side to be a great post player. If Dwight wants to win championships, he should put in more work with Harden/Lin/Bev on PnR's.
     
  7. BackNthDay

    BackNthDay Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2006
    Messages:
    3,570
    Likes Received:
    469
    I would have liked for him to at least try some of the stuff he has been learning in the preseason to determine if it's usuable during the season and playoffs..
     
  8. omgTHEpotential

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2012
    Messages:
    7,386
    Likes Received:
    5,895
    Absolutely agree with kuku.

    Dwight is what he is now. It would be naive to expect an almost 28 year old player to make any substantial progress in any expect of his game, unless he has that MJ/Kobe drive & killer instict, which Dwight doesn't.
     
  9. omgTHEpotential

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2012
    Messages:
    7,386
    Likes Received:
    5,895
    aspect*
     
  10. dragonz

    dragonz Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2007
    Messages:
    1,718
    Likes Received:
    56
    the player learned most out of the Hakkem school is Kobe IMO.
     
    1 person likes this.
  11. TJ VS TR

    TJ VS TR Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2013
    Messages:
    2,399
    Likes Received:
    37
    I thought Kobe learned more from MJ while LeBron and Carmelo learn more from Hakeem?
     
  12. thebeardedwon

    thebeardedwon Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2013
    Messages:
    627
    Likes Received:
    25
    His work with dream looked like it paid off tonite
     
  13. danoman

    danoman Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2009
    Messages:
    2,807
    Likes Received:
    763
    Is it just me or is he starting to look quicker on his offensive moves?
     
  14. BackNthDay

    BackNthDay Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2006
    Messages:
    3,570
    Likes Received:
    469
    Calvin comment on his moves during half time and it did look Dreamish! However, I was very disappointed when a hustling Chandler knocked a rebound out of his hand and Dwight acted as if Bang slapped one of his baby's mama! Dwight could've easily retrieved the ball. His immaturity at almost 30 is frightening!!
     
  15. A_3PO

    A_3PO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2006
    Messages:
    43,570
    Likes Received:
    7,232
    Dwight's post play is gradually improving as the season progresses. Let's see where he stands come playoff time.

    These growing pains are with it IMO.
     
  16. krosfyah

    krosfyah Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2001
    Messages:
    7,515
    Likes Received:
    1,237
    Dwight definitely had definitive moves against Portland.

    What usually drives me crazy about his post moves is he goes for layups right at the rim when he could dunk. BUT, it's worse than that. He leans and even picking up his feet like a fairy. His at the basket moves are not squared up and very weak.

    Last night, he had several <5 footers but his feet were squared with his shoulders as he went up. It's so much more in control.

    Anybody that says Dwight will not continue to improve, well last night we clearly saw some growth. However, he was open several times and folks didn't get the ball to him. He was killing Lopez. It was a massacre, frankly. If was coaching, I would have been like Rudy T ..."Run it again". Post up Dwight 10x in a row until they stop him. When Howard posted, it was only a question if he made the shot.
     
  17. smr6

    smr6 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2012
    Messages:
    1,973
    Likes Received:
    219
    That's the biggest change I've noticed as well. I tell my girlfriend that every game (not that she cares). The same thing goes for his free throws. His motion is much more fluid rather than slow and in parts. The results are obvious for both examples.
     
  18. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 1999
    Messages:
    37,043
    Likes Received:
    13,471
    We lead the friggin league in scoring man, get over it. I wish they'd amputate Dwight's thumbs so we could focus on something else.
     
  19. krosfyah

    krosfyah Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2001
    Messages:
    7,515
    Likes Received:
    1,237
    He has always be quick. IMO, that has always been his best and most effective attribute. This difference is that his now quick AND under control so it looks better.

    Ziggy, leading the league in scoring will translate into little or nothing in the playoffs. If Howard can morph into a dominant low post scorer, that bodes well for our playoff chances. It's worth it that they are force feeding him down low to let him develop.
     
  20. tinman

    tinman Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    100,906
    Likes Received:
    43,694
    Dwight's post game looked pretty good last night. it was a bright spot
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now