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Drudge: MSNBC drops Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews from anchor chair

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  1. rcoleman15

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    Don't know if this is Hangout material or D&D material. Since these two are talked about mainly in here I will put this in here. (Link and NYTimes article below)

    MSNBC Takes Incendiary Hosts From Anchor Seat

    By BRIAN STELTER

    MSNBC tried a bold experiment this year by putting two politically incendiary hosts, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, in the anchor chair to lead the cable news channel’s coverage of the election.

    That experiment appears to be over.

    After months of accusations of political bias and simmering animosity between MSNBC and its parent network NBC, the channel decided over the weekend that the NBC News correspondent and MSNBC host David Gregory would anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night. Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews will remain as analysts during the coverage.

    The change — which comes in the home stretch of the long election cycle — is a direct result of tensions associated with the channel’s perceived shift to the political left.

    “The most disappointing shift is to see the partisan attitude move from prime time into what’s supposed to be straight news programming,” said Davidson Goldin, formerly the editorial director of MSNBC and a co-founder of the reputation management firm DolceGoldin.

    Executives at the channel’s parent company, NBC Universal, had high hopes for MSNBC’s coverage of the political conventions. Instead, the coverage frequently descended into on-air squabbles between the anchors, embarrassing some workers at NBC’s news division, and quite possibly alienating viewers. Although MSNBC nearly doubled its total audience compared with the 2004 conventions, its competitive position did not improve, as it remained in last place among the broadcast and cable news networks. In prime time, the channel averaged 2.2 million viewers during the Democratic convention and 1.7 million viewers during the Republican convention.

    The success of the Fox News Channel in the past decade along with the growth of political blogs have convinced many media companies that provocative commentary attracts viewers and lures Web browsers more than straight news delivered dispassionately.

    “In a rapidly changing media environment, this is the great philosophical debate,” Phil Griffin, the president of MSNBC, said in a telephone interview Saturday. Fighting the ratings game, he added, “the bottom line is that we’re experiencing incredible success.”

    But as the past two weeks have shown, that success has a downside. When the vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin lamented media bias during her speech, attendees of the Republican convention loudly chanted “NBC.”

    In interviews, 10 current and former staff members said that long-simmering tensions between MSNBC and NBC reached a boiling point during the conventions. “MSNBC is behaving like a heroin addict,” one senior staff member observed. “They’re living from fix to fix and swearing they’ll go into rehab the next week.”

    The employee, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity because the network does not permit it people to speak to the media without authorization. (The New York Times and NBC News have a content-sharing arrangement exclusively for political coverage.)

    Mr. Olbermann, a 49-year-old former sportscaster, has become the face of the more aggressive MSNBC, and the lightning rod for much of the criticism. His program “Countdown,” now a liberal institution, was created by Mr. Olbermann in 2003 but it found its voice in his gnawing dissent regarding the Bush administration, often in the form of “special comment” segments.

    As Mr. Olbermann raised his voice, his ratings rose as well, and he now reaches more than one million viewers a night, a higher television rating than any other show in the troubled 12-year history of the network. As a result, his identity largely defines MSNBC. “They have banked the entirety of the network on Keith Olbermann,” one employee said.

    In January, Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews, the host of “Hardball,” began co-anchoring primary night coverage, drawing an audience that enjoyed the pair’s “SportsCenter”-style show. While some critics argued that the assignment was akin to having the Fox News commentator Bill O’Reilly anchor on election night — something that has never happened — MSNBC insisted that Mr. Olbermann knew the difference between news and commentary.

    But in the past two weeks, that line has been blurred. On the final night of the Republican convention, after MSNBC televised the party’s video “tribute to the victims of 9/11,” including graphic footage of the World Trade Center attacks, Mr. Olbermann abruptly took off his journalistic hat.

    “I’m sorry, it’s necessary to say this,” he began. After saying that the video had exploited the memories of the dead, he directly apologized to viewers who were offended. Then, sounding like a network executive, he said it was “probably not appropriate to be shown.”

    In an interview on Sunday, Mr. Olbermann said that moment — and the perception that he is “not utterly neutral” — restarted months-old conversations about his role on political nights.

    “I found it ironic and instructive that I could have easily said exactly what I did say, exactly when I did say it, if I had been wearing a different hat, and nobody would have taken any issue,” he said.

    “Countdown” will still be shown before the three fall debates and a second edition will be shown sometime afterwards, following the program anchored by Mr. Gregory.

    The change casts new doubt on what some staff members believe is an effective programming strategy: prime-time talk of a liberal sort. A like-minded talk show will now follow “Countdown” at 9 p.m.: “The Rachel Maddow Show,” hosted by the liberal radio host, begins Monday.

    Mr. Griffin, MSNBC’s president, denies that it has an ideology. “I think ideology means we think one way, and we don’t,” he said. Rather than label MSNBC’s prime time as left-leaning, he says it has passion and point of view.

    But MSNBC is the cable arm of NBC News, the dispassionate news division of NBC Universal. MSNBC, “Today” and “NBC Nightly News” share some staff members, workspace and content. And some critics are claiming they also share a political affiliation.

    The McCain campaign has filed letters of complaint to the news division about its coverage and openly tied MSNBC to it. Tension between the network and the campaign hit an apex the day Mr. McCain announced Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. MSNBC had reported Friday morning that Ms. Palin’s plane was enroute to the announcement and she was likely the pick. But McCain campaign officials warned the network off, with one official going so far as to say that all of the candidates on the short list were on their way — which MSNBC then reported.

    “The fact that it was reported in real time was very embarrassing,” said a senior MSNBC official. “We were told, ‘No, it’s not Sarah Palin and you don’t know who it is.’ ”

    Tom Brokaw and Brian Williams, the past and present anchors of “NBC Nightly News,” have told friends and colleagues that they are finding it tougher and tougher to defend the cable arm of the news division, even while they anchored daytime hours of convention coverage on MSNBC and contributed commentary each evening.

    Mr. Williams did not respond to a request for comment and Mr. Brokaw declined to comment. At a panel discussion in Denver, Mr. Brokaw acknowledged that Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews had “gone too far” at times, but emphasized they were “not the only voices” on MSNBC, according to The Washington Post.

    Al Hunt, the executive Washington bureau chief of Bloomberg News, said that the entire news division was being singled out by Republicans because of the work of partisans like Mr. Olbermann. “To go and tar the whole news network and Brokaw and Mitchell is grossly unfair,” he said, referring to the NBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell.

    Some tensions have spilled out on-screen. On the first night in Denver, as the fellow MSNBC host Joe Scarborough talked about the resurgence of the McCain campaign, Mr. Olbermann dismissed it by saying: “Jesus, Joe, why don’t you get a shovel?”

    The following night, Mr. Olbermann and his co-anchor for convention coverage, Mr. Matthews, had their own squabble after Mr. Olbermann observed that Mr. Matthews had talked too long.

    Some staff members said the tension led to the network’s decision to keep Mr. Olbermann in New York for the Republican convention, after he ran the desk in Denver during the Democratic convention. MSNBC said that he stayed in New York to anchor coverage of Hurricane Gustav. But some workers say there were other reasons — namely, that Mr. Olbermann was concerned about his safety in St. Paul, given the loud crowds at MSNBC’s set in Denver.

    NBC Universal executives are also known to be concerned about the perception that MSNBC’s partisan tilt in prime time is bleeding into the rest of the programming day. On a recent Friday afternoon, a graphic labeled “Breaking News” asked: “How many houses does Palin add to the Republican ticket?” Mr. Griffin called the graphic “an embarrassment.”

    According to three staff members, Jeff Zucker, chief executive of NBC Universal, and Steve Capus, president of NBC News, considered flying to the Republican convention in Minnesota last week to address the lingering tensions.

    Up to now, the company’s public support for MSNBC’s strategy has been enthusiastic. At an anniversary party for Mr. Olbermann in April, Mr. Zucker called “Countdown” “one of the signature brands of the entire company.”

    Just last year, Mr. Olbermann signed a four-year, $4-million-a-year contract with MSNBC. NBC is close to supplementing that contract with Mr. Olbermann, extending his deal through 2013 — and ensuring that he will be on MSNBC through the next election.
     
  2. declan32001

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    FOX is winning. As an Obama supporter I thought Olbermann did cross the line a couple of times (excerpted on the net) and networks need to make money so...

    This is CBS 2004 redux though, networks always go down at exactly the right time for someone.

    Blech.
     
  3. Nolen

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    I welcome this move. The continued polarization of media scares me.
     
  4. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Olbermann simply can not control his temper. He will forever be cast as an angry partisan until he can bridle his emotions. Until then, he is trapped in a GLASS CASE OF EMOTION.

    [​IMG]
     
  5. Rocket River

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    Once again . . .the 'left' is shown to be weak willed and pathetic
    the inability to fight . . . . . shows its ugly head again

    that is why america has no counterbalance
    when all you got is the center. . and the EXTREME right
    Right leaning media is all you have

    The Right controls the media. . . making it into nothing more than a Propganda
    Machine that would make the Russians proud

    Rocket river
     
  6. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    ^^^
    Brought to you from Planet Bizarro World
     
  7. declan32001

    declan32001 Member

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    That's what you call not being brainwashed. Who owns these networks again?
     
  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    The difference is that MSNBC tries to be a news organization whereas Fox has a clear agenda driven by Rupert Murdoch.

    Fox is supposed to be far right wing......people in the real news world may lean left ,but they still view themselves as journalists first......

    DD
     
  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    it depends, obviously olbermann is politically left, but do you consider him a commentator or a journalist? if he is a journalist, he has to tone it done. chris matthews wasn't as biased, but he is obviously left leaning.

    olbermann is absolutely great with the english language, and his knowledge and research, but he has to stop being so abrasive, read the article, it isn't just his bias. he had the same problem with co workers at espn
     
  10. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    No, you don't seem to understand the game. Any news program that relies on data and deviates from FOX-style content and format is "liberal media," even if said media is owned by people who give generously to GOP political machines.

    So, all you need to do is just repeat "liberal media" again, and again, and then a few more thousand times, and POOF, people all around you start to believe it!

    And whatever you do, never, ever, let people compare the media content and bias of today with what it was in the 1950's. No sir. What's the media again? That's right -- good! You got it! LIBERAL MEDIA!
     
  11. Northside Storm

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    Yeah, I totally agree with this. EVERYONE knows Olbermann is biased as hell, it just doesn't help that he's condescending and so angry while on-air...he makes for a great attack dog...but journalist? No.

    ...But eh, the "liberal media" doesn't need a counter-balence to Fox News anyways, two terrible wrongs don't make a right. Can't fight fire with fire. Insert your own cliche here.
     
  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Outfoxed is a documentary about real journalists and what they were forced to do to stay at Fox News.

    Trailer.....

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    Interviews on the show:
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    DD
     
  13. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    For whatever it's worth....

    Listening to Howard Stern earlier in the week, he was commenting on how he went to a party at Billy Joel's house in the Hamptons. He was playing beer pong with Ivanka Trump and Rupert Murdoch's wife. The word at the party was that Rupert hates Bill O'Reilly and he can't stand his own network FOX anymore. The guests were all suggesting Rupert wasn't supporting McCain.
     
  14. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    No one can say with a straight face that the mainstream media isn't overwhelming liberal. They have polled journalists at these networks and gotten 90% response levels for voting Democrat. That's a fact. The sexist attacks against Sarah Palin, and year-long slobberfest over Obama simply reinforce the facts. It's so incredibly obvious.
     
  15. baller4life315

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    Good. I can't stand Olbermann and his pompous demeanor. Plus, with his strange obsession with Bill O'Reilly somebody needed to tell him to step back and stop embarrassing himself.
     
  16. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    liberal doesn't equal sexist. that's silly, the media all but crowned hillary the democratic candidate till obama took it. the media didn't openly question going into iraq either. the liberal tag is silly
     
  17. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    That's a very nice way of saying he fraudulently gamed the caucus system, launched misogynistic attacks against Hillary, lost the popular vote, won due to not having to expend effort to win the AA vote, and probably would have lost if Jeremiah Wright had broken in January instead of mid-March.


    HO HO HO
     
  18. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    the media reported just how barrack won, if you have a problem with the system then try to change it. as far as wright is concerned, you'll have to excuse them if investigating his church wasn't their first priority
     
  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    You have to forgive TJ, he is seemingly overwhelmingly concerned that Obama may be a closet Mulsim.

    But for the rest of us, we are happy with the seperation of Church and State, and could care less what religion they follow as long as they keep that seperation in mind.

    DD
     
  20. A_3PO

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    I never EVER watch MSNBC. From my standpoint, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews are good for soundbites, only. I can't imagine watching them during an election season any more than I could imagine watching Fox News.
     

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