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Dribble penetration bad for Rox

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by pasox2, Apr 24, 2003.

  1. pasox2

    pasox2 Member
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    With the talk about true pgs - it occurs to me we DON'T need a guy like Miller, Nash, Kidd, or Payton - that make plays from dribble penetration and running. We need the other kind of good pg - Stockton. Working, working, working a pick, resetting, and knifing the ball to a cutter or the perfect open shot. Chaos is not going to play to Ming and Francis' strengths. They need to be able to get at the basket. Don't clog the lane with some dribbler sucking the defense in. Better yet, swing the ball from the wing with Lamar Odom. The wing is a better set point for Ming/Francis than top of the key or dribble penetration.

    And please never show me that weak cross court pass again. Pass it three times, not once, and you'll move it faster, create more opportunities, and won't get picked so much.
     
  2. pasox2

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    Corrolary - who's going to set our picks? No-one on the team seems to know how. We need a couple of iron elbows and big butts one for the the frontcourt and one in back.
     
  3. heypartner

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    That skip pass from corner to opposite wing is one of the foundations of beating a popular zone.

    name that zone!
     
  4. A-Train

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    What is a 2-3 zone, Alex?
     
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    I agree in part with your comments. However, if you are suggesting a guy like Miller, Nash, Kidd, or Payton could not help this team. Then you are wrong my friend.
     
  6. KeepJuaquin

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    Yeah...but we probably aren't going to get one of those "true" elite point guards.
    But Lamar Odom...we can get.
    ;)
    And I would like him.
    But we would have to give up Mobley...or not.
    EVEN IF WE PENETRATED, WE WOULD HAVE NO SHOOTERS TO CATCH THE DISHES AND MAKE SHOTS! :(
    I'm not sure how much Lamar Odom will make next season...but
    try Mobley and Nachbar for Odom and Richardson.
    Or if Lamar will be making more than that...
    Mobley and Rice for Odom and Piatkowski.
    I wouldn't give up Nachbar...giving up Rice hmm...

    We're going to have the same exact roster and lineup next season. :(
     
  7. LAfadeaway33

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    The mistake everyone is making is to assume that Steve Francis can play off the ball. He has never done this and it also takes away from his strengths which are his speed, quickness, ball handling and slashing abilities. He isn't someone that comes off of picks or makes cuts to the basket. If we moved him to sg, he would be more of an Allen Iverson scorer (a sg who still handles the ball most of the time and sets himself up instead of being set up by teammates) than a Michael Finley scorer (somone who's athletisicm is used towards coming off of screens and cutting to the basket). If we bring a pg in, it really doesn't matter how well he sets up his teammates as long as he does not lose the ball or make bad decisions and he can knock down the occasional three. Steve will still have the ball once it crosses half court. He will just have more freedom to do with it whatever he wants.
     
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    You are assuming that he can't play off the ball? :D

    Anyways...Steve should stay as the point guard. We should get Lamar Odom. And the offense should run through Yao Ming...or Maurice Taylor...or Elton Brand. :D

    Our shooting guard should be a shooter.
     
  9. heypartner

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    ummm,

    next
     
  10. KeepKenny

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    i have notice that when mooch is in, steve never runs off picks or anything. He usually just stands in the corner while moochie dribbles. Also, steve hardly ever just catch and shoots. He always has to dribble the ball at least once.
     
  11. GATER

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    What is the Mavericks matchup zone?
     
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    Well, I hope Steve gets to do what he does best - cut to the basket. He can go all the way or stop and pop, but his chances are better if we make the defense give him room. Steve also needs some tall targets to bail him out if he runs into a wall. Jamming up the middle on dribble penetration won't allow him to room to operate.
     
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    I've posted the same sentiment a number of times. That's why instead of a point guard, I think we need to bring in a real shooter to play the 2. Wouldn't Ray Allen have been nice? There's been a lot of people who want us to go after Micheal Redd if he's expendable. That's the kind of guy we need, not a Payton or Miller.
    j
     
  15. SmeggySmeg

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    not what i teach, good zones should eat skip passes for breakfast

    HP - depends if the players after passing do something, ie cut, screen, even replace themselves, if they use these options, then ball reversal through hands is always the better option
     
  16. heypartner

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    Smeggy,

    are you saying all zones eat up skip passes. Some actually give them up to take away the direct attacks. Also, you can overload many zones to free up a skip pass.

    the 1-3-1 or any agressive, ball pressure Temple-esque match-up has a weak spot on the skip pass. They basicly give that up to take away strongside passing lanes and penetration, relying on the speed of defenders to overcome the swing pass strategy.

    I have to maybe award A-Train the first call. Types of 2-3s do play like a 1-3-1, but typically when you think of 2-3, it is something different.
     

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