Man...I really hope we make playoffs, but I hate the idea of going through a draft without even 1 pick. So much less exciting.
Eh. Most people seem to be rounding this out to be a weak draft and really another rookie means another player buried down the bench. I'd love to get our pick obligation out of the way this year with 2014 being hyped up as a great draft.
For those too lazy to click on a link- Draft picks Owed to Houston- 2014 second round draft pick from New York New York's own 2014 2nd round pick to Houston. [Houston-New York, 7/11/2012] 2015 second round draft pick from L.A. Clippers The L.A. Clippers' own 2015 2nd round pick to Houston via Toronto (if pick is 51 - 55). If the L.A. Clippers' own 2015 2nd round pick is not among the 51st through 55th picks, then the L.A. Clippers' obligations to Houston shall be extinguished. [L.A. Clippers - Toronto, 1/7/2009 and then Houston - Toronto, 7/28/2010] 2015 second round draft pick from New York New York's own 2015 2nd round pick to Houston. [Houston-New York, 7/11/2012] Picks Houston Owe's other Teams- 2013 first round draft pick to Atlanta Houston's own 2013 1st round pick to Atlanta via Brooklyn (top 14 protected in 2013, top 14 protected in 2014, top 14 protected in 2015 and top 14 protected in the 2016 Draft). If Atlanta via Brooklyn does not receive a 1st round pick from Houston by the 2016 Draft, then Houston will convey their own 2017 2nd round pick and cash to Atlanta via Brooklyn. [Brooklyn- Houston - Los Angeles Lakers, 12/15/2010 and then Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/11/2012] 2013 second round draft pick to Atlanta Houston's own 2013 2nd round pick to Atlanta (Top-40 protected in the 2013 Draft, top-40 protected in 2014, top-40 protected in 2015 and unprotected in the 2016 Draft.) [Atlanta - Houston, 7/14/2009] 2014 second round draft pick to Milwaukee Houston own 2nd round pick to Milwaukee in the "First Allowable Draft". The First Allowable draft shall be the draft that occurs one year following the year in which Houston satisfies its existing obligation to convey a future second round draft pick to the Atlanta Hawks (Top-40 protected in the 2013 Draft, top-40 protected in 2014, top-40 protected in 2015 and unprotected in the 2016 Draft) If Houston does not convey a second round pick to Milwaukee by the 2016 Draft and Houston is obligated to send their 2017 second round pick to Atlanta via Brooklyn, then Milwaukee shall receive Houston's own 2018 second round pick. [Houston-Milwaukee, 6/27/2012] So That being said, The Rockets essentially can ONLY offer (IN TRADE) the Three 2nd round picks they have available this year until they either acquire other 1st round picks or satisfy the draft pick obligations owed to Atlanta from the Terrence Williams trade so NEXT YEAR, they can then offer start to offer their 2015 first round pick in a trade. That is "IF" they make the playoffs this year, and satisfy that obligation. Damn you T-Will....
Rockets can trade a future first rounder now if they want, but it has to be two years after the Hawks' draft pick obligation is met (2015 at the earliest). Also, say the Rockets make the playoffs this year and Atlanta gets their first round pick, the Rockets can trade their 2014 first rounder after the 2013 draft. You just can't trade consecutive future picks.
Yep, pretty much. Also note that the Rockets' future picks are subject to the "7-year rule" (in which teams may not trade any draft pick that may not be conveyed until more than 7 years after the trade). With respect to this upcoming trade deadline, the Rockets' first round pick mentioned above, if not conveyed by 2018, would need to either (a) be unprotected in 2019 or (b) convert to second round pick(s) and/or cash. Personally, unless the Rockets really fall off and slide into the mid-lottery, I'd be just fine making the playoffs, getting that T-Will pick obligation off their backs, and then BUYING a late first/early second rounder with the $3.1 million in available cash permitted to be included in trades for the 2012-13 season (the Rockets presumably haven't spent any of it yet).
Contrary to popular belief, people only think this is a weak draft in terms of star power. Everybody finds this to be a very deep draft in terms of solid talent, just nobody projected to become consistent all stars. You could easily find a good role player in the late lottery-early 20's range. But I agree. Gotta have at least 1 pick in the 2014 Draft. No question about it.
Ok. Here is where I have some confusion on the pick obligations and offering other picks. I was under the impression that since they dont know exactly when the Terrence Williams pick will be cashed in, they cannot offer a pick that could potentially end up in the same year. Meaning, what happens if the Rockets traded a 2015 pick right now in February 2013, and the Rockets end up being in the lottery every year until that year when they owe essentially two picks, but only have one to give? Does that make sense? Of course if the Rockets make the playoffs this year, and then this Summer they will have the ability to offer their 2015 pick.
What happens is, it's a first available. So, say we miss the PO's in 2013 and 2014, then make it in 2015. Atl would get our 2015 pick, and we would owe whoever we traded the pick to a pick in the 2017 draft, because we couldn't trade our 2016 due to back-back 1st rule.
This^ Supposedly this is a poor draft from a talent standpoint, so it might be a good opportunity to close the book on the T-Will mistake. I wish we were finishing with a lower pick, but the truth is that we don't need more mid-round youth in a shallow draft anyway. Royce White can be our rookie for next year
Mirri3000 has it, but just to give an example -- the Shane Battier-for-Hasheem Thabeet and a pick trade in 2011 illustrates this perfectly. The Rockets got a lottery-protected pick from Memphis in the deal, but it couldn't be sent to Houston until 2013 at the earliest because Memphis still owed Minnesota (via Utah) a conditional first round pick (lottery-protected). When Memphis made the playoffs that year, they sent their 2011 first rounder to Minnesota, officially making 2013 the first year the Rockets would be eligible to get Memphis' pick. It was the primary reason I didn't like that trade for the Rockets... I saw Thabeet as dead weight and the pick value was not good enough to just take on $5+ million of salary for the following season. It didn't matter since they flipped it in the deal with Minnesota for Motiejunas and Flynn. And lastly, not to confuse the matter, BUT... that pick (Motiejunas) ended up being that very pick Memphis sent to Minnesota (#20, 2011). So, in a way, Daryl Morey cut in line
ahh. Ok, that makes sense now. So you could offer a 2015 pick now, but with much more red tape on the pick given the fact that the Atlanta(T-Will) pick could keep pushing your pick you owe from the Rockets in 2015 back if they continue to miss the playoffs. Seems to me the pick would have so little value to a team given the fact that it could be 4 to 6 years before they ever see it that it might not really even be worth offering to begin with when a team you are trading with would probably rather have talent on your roster instead like Jones or D-Mo. Here's hoping they just make the playoffs this year to get rid of that stupid T-Will pick obligation.
Since we are doing jus well enough to get in, I hope we make the playoffs and have no 1st round pick. Morey seems to do better when just having second round picks to work with and getting out from that obligation sooner is better then having it over our heads.
