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Dr Fauci trusted China's data and concluded COVID is just a more serious flu back in Feb 28

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ymc, Apr 12, 2020.

  1. ymc

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    Based on China's data, Dr Fauci et al concluded the death rate is considerably less than 1% and R0 (ie average number of people an infected person can infect) is only 2.2 based on Chinese research.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

    Then a month later, after obtaining more detailed raw data from China. CDC revised the R0 to 5.7

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article

    I think since Trump is no epidemiologist, he believed Fauci back then. Therefore, he told everyone COVID was a hoax and no big deal. Then, after CDC revised R0 and realized the seriousness of the pandemic, Trump had to reverse course.
     
  2. Andre0087

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    This did not deserve it’s own thread.
     
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    I guess Dr. Fauci were using the data from China's provinces other than Hubei where Wuhan is. He was assuming every country can take the steps similar to provinces like Guangdong or Henan. If you do what WHO had suggested, you will get a less than 1% death rate. It was a reasonable assumption. Dr. Fauci was right.

    Then it turns out Wuhan should be the model
    Why? It was a sudden hit for Wuhan and there was no test kits when the virus was unknown plus the incompetence of local officials hoping this was just a flu....... US are repeating those same stuff after two months: no preparation, no testing, Trump's under control drug, and absurd excuses.
     
  4. vlaurelio

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    Lol so a 2.2 rate of infection is a hoax in your and your grand leaders' book?
     
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  5. Major

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    Except Fauci, in your Feb 28th article says:

    given the efficiency of transmission as indicated in the current report, we should be prepared for Covid-19 to gain a foothold throughout the world, including in the United States. Community spread in the United States could require a shift from containment to mitigation strategies such as social distancing in order to reduce transmission. Such strategies could include isolating ill persons (including voluntary isolation at home), school closures, and telecommuting where possible.9

    Does that sound like a hoax to you? Something that you shouldn't be thinking about making preparations for?
     
  6. RayRay10

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    Fauci was brought on by Trump and Pence to be part of the White House Task Force on January 29th. It was Trump’s decision, after talking to Republican senators, to make Fauci the face of the response team on March 10.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...-regarding-presidents-coronavirus-task-force/


    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...to-make-fauci-face-of-governments-coronavirus

    The problem with blaming this on Fauci is that we don’t know if he was privy to US intel on the virus. We know Trump was privy to that intel. If all Fauci had to go on was China’s numbers, then it’s understandable why he made that call. If he had access to the same info the intel community was providing, and he still made the choices he made, then he is complicit in all this as well as the man who brought him on. Remember, he only “hires he best people.”
     
  7. dobro1229

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    I’ve already started hearing from my Trumper family and friends this effort to make Fauci the liberal scapegoat.

    This isnt going to work. A... there is this thing called video evidence and facts. B. Even if they were wrong at times, Most people will be still believed virologists and epidemiologists more than the clown douche bag who calls himself a stable genius.
     
  8. Plowman

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    THIS^^^^^
     
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  9. Carl Herrera

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    It's China's fault.
    It's Obama's fault.
    It's Biden's fault.
    It's WHO' fault.
    It's Fauci's fault.

    It's never your leader's fault.
     
  10. NewRoxFan

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    ... and we know many scientists and members of trump's own admin knew the impact of the Coronavirus crisis, and yet, nothing was done. trump and his defenders can try to point the blame elsewhere but...
     
  11. Newlin

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    Yes. Exactly.

    Fauci appears to have known at the time that this article was published that this virus may require closing schools, voluntary isolation, and telecommuting. I’m sure he was advising Trump the same thing. Trump made his hoax comment the same day this article was published.

    Furthermore, Trump had already received intelligence reports indicating the seriousness of this virus. These reports prompted various senators to buy and sell stock in order to benefit from the impending pandemic.

    Let’s not pretend Trump was somehow in the dark or uninformed about covid-19. He had the information. He just chose to downplay the threat.
     
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  12. Astrodome

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    Nobody has been perfect during this virus. I appreciate everyone's effort. I am sure even the smartest people still dont know how to interpret these numbers.
     
  13. Newlin

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    Peter Navarro seemed to know what was going on. In January he sent a memo to Trump advising a travel ban, and on February 23rd he sent the above memo warning Trump of the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Trump says he never saw the memos. Not sure I believe Trump on that.
     
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  14. Amiga

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    That’s a nice way to put everyone in the same group. It’s a good rationalization.

    In the real world, perfection is very nice but we want basic competency first.
     
  15. ROXTXIA

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    They sure are trying.

    I guessed they would be trying to make Fauci (one of) the fall guy(s), but it wasn't tough to see.
     
  16. ROXTXIA

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    What do you mean "not sure"?

    Navarro's a Grade A doucher, but apparently he saw this on the way, while telling the public "nothing to see here"; but he certainly would have told CheeTos Jesus.
     
  17. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    the buck stops... where? I guess either in a fraudulent, shuttered family charity, a fraudulent, shuttered name-branded university, or (drumroll)... in viciously guarded tax returns.
     
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    Perhaps reading the whole article would help. Fauci correctly talked about isolating even back in January.
     
  19. Amiga

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    And since we have this thread... might as well put this here.

    Fauci’s Security Detail Beefed Up After Receiving Online Death Threats From Conspiracy Theorists

    Dr. Anthony Fauci has emerged as a leading voice in the crisis and has not shied away from realistic projections of where the country could be headed. But some supporters of President Donald Trump believe Fauci is trying to undermine the president in an election year.

    The Wall Street Journal: Coronavirus Task Force’s Fauci Receives A Security DetailDr. Fauci has become polarizing in a politically divided country with right-wing conspiracy theorists attacking him online, calling him part of a “deep state” plot to undermine the president’s re-election. Some dismiss the virus as a hoax and say Dr. Fauci is hyping possible outcomes. (Armour and Gurman, 4/2)

    Politico: Fauci Gets Security Detail After Receiving Threats HHS Secretary Alex Azar had grown concerned about the growing online attacks against Fauci — whose profile has soared since he started regularly flanking Trump at White House coronavirus briefings, where he occasionally corrects the president — and asked the department to conduct a threat assessment. The decision was then conveyed to the Justice Department, which approved the request to deputize security for Fauci. (Diamond, 4/1)
     
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  20. Invisible Fan

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    Trump being a real cuck doing whatever Fauci tells him to do. Oh yeah he listens to his handlers all the time....

    Rough life when you can't lie or steal your way into success.

    On the Dem presidency ofc.

    McConnell will tighten up his butthole like he does when he forgets to takes his fiber pills, and we shut down the government until they can Astroturf another insurgency movement thats based in "freedom, no taxes, no government waste"
     
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