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Doug Collins fired, Wizards talking to Larry Brown

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by RocksMillenium, May 30, 2003.

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  1. RocksMillenium

    RocksMillenium Member

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    It jsut happened, Washington just bought out Doug Collin's contract.
     
    #1 RocksMillenium, May 30, 2003
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    Once Jordan leaves, Doug goes too.....[​IMG]
     
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    I hope he returns to television. He was great.
     
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  4. RocksMillenium

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    I like Doug Collins, but boy was he Jordan's puppet.
     
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  5. codell

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    I never understood this whole relationship. I thought Jordan foced Collins out of Chicago.
     
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  6. x_trepidation_x

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    I'll say it again. Collins was not the problem, it was those lazy Wizard players.
     
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  7. RocksMillenium

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    He did. I don't know, but my feeling and opinion is that he started gaining respect for Collins and what he taught years later. I think that Jordan was especially impressed with how Collins rebuilt the Pistons in the 90s. Collins took a Detroit that had Allan Houston and won 50 games. And after they lost Houston they STILL won. But Grant Hill and other players ran him out because basically he was "to tough". That was stupid, you need a disciplined coach like Collins, especially for a young team, but they ran him out. And Jordan probably thought he would fit in perfectly for a similarly built Washington team, and it would have if Jordan hadn't let his ego get in the way.
     
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    I think codell's (and my) puzzlement is not why Jordan respected Collins but why Collins respected Jordan so much to be the willing puppet.
     
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    The only thing I can think of is that Jordan respected Collins because he was willing to be a puppet and that Collins respected Jordan because he willing to hire him when no one else was. :confused:
     
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    My theory is that Collins, whose reputation was tarnished and couldn't get a coaching job, was willing to do anything to get another NBA job, thus the Wizards job. I'll bet you anything, that Jordan promised Collins a long term job and a fat raise after Jordan's playing days with the Wizards were over. Of course it all backfired, Jordan was fired, and then Collins was. I hate that people drop everything on the players, the players were forced to play a style of play they weren't used to to appease Jordan's ego. This was a running team, athletic team that was built for uptempo play. But Jordan was no longer in shape to play that style so he forced them to slow it down. Jordan also wanted to be the man, and they had to watch Jordan go 6 for 25 every night taking god awful shots. When they won it was fine, but when they lost here comes Jordan whining and crying and blaming his teammates. Eventually they just turned on him, a mutiny. I don't blame them either.
     
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    If Brown goes to Washington he will be almost fully in charge of all basketball operations. Unseld is gone. Their front office is almost completely empty. If Brown wants <b>power</b> this would probably be his best choice.
     
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  12. AroundTheWorld

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    Well, do you want to be the dictator in a banana republic or the prime minister in a checks and balances system, but in a respected and civilized Western country and society like, let's say...Texas ;).
     
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    hmmm.

    Isn't this the second coach they've fired in the past three years? Leonard Hamilton is one and done, then Collins gets two years and gone.

    Washington is a mess, I'm sure Larry Brown can find much more attractive options than this.
     
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    Man, the Wizards are going to be awful next season.

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. x_trepidation_x

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    I disagree,

    Jordan was willing to take a back seat to Stackhouse. Jordan original plan was to come off the bench which he did at the start of the season. That was the plan.

    However, the Wizards just didn't play good enough. Players like Stackhouse, Kwame Brown who are supposed to be the future of the Wizards didn't live up to the hype.

    So, Jordan took a bigger role and decided to carry the team on his shoulders. But, Jordan was not the Jordan of the past and could not will his way to a win with his 40 some year old legs.

    I think playing on the same floor as Jordan made it difficult for the other players but even so, they played with no Heart.

    JerryStackhouse: ''Without Michael we would be just as good of a team,'' the Wizards' Jerry Stackhouse recently told the Washington Post.
     
    #15 x_trepidation_x, May 30, 2003
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