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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Cohen, Nov 5, 2003.

  1. Cohen

    Cohen Member

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    So will this screw up our DVD readers and burners? I just ordered and DVD Burner/Tivo box.

    I'm confused, is the journalist is also? All our electronics will remain 'fully functional', yet apparently won't work with encrypted entertainment. What will be encrypted? Some TV? All TV? DVDs? Then our DVD players and TV's won't be 'fully functional', will they?



    I've never bought those cable descramblers, but I would buy a decrypter so I could use my DVDs and hardware for home use as I see fit!




    FCC Endorses Built-In Copy Controls

    PCs, TVs, recorders, and other gear must recognize broadcast 'flag' that bans transmission.

    Rita Chang, Medill News Service
    Tuesday, November 04, 2003
    WASHINGTON -- To the dismay of consumer advocates, the Federal Communications Commission has voted to mandate technology that prevents users from sharing copy-protected digital broadcasts.


    Tuesday's vote orders makers of hardware that can receive digital television signals to build in recognition of broadcast "flags" that copy-protect content. When the flag-compliant device, such as a PC or DVD recorder, detects content containing a broadcast flag, it prevents its "indiscriminate" transmission over the Internet.


    What's Affected
    A broadcast flag is a single bit added to the data stream of broadcast DTV programming. By itself, the flag does not protect content. Instead, the FCC is mandating that digital devices check all incoming data for a flag.

    In its 5-0 vote, the FCC ruled vendors must comply with the broadcast flag requirements in all equipment by July 1, 2005. Products such as digital VCRs, DVD players, and PCs must then contain copy-protection mechanisms that prevent users from distributing broadcast copyrighted digital content over the Internet.

    Existing PCs, televisions, VCRs, DVD players, and related equipment will remain fully functional under the new broadcast flag rule.

    The FCC ruling comes in the wake of political pressure exerted by the movie and television industries. In a move to avert online piracy of its movies, the Motion Picture Association of America told lawmakers the movie industry would not license its "high-value" content for digital television broadcast unless a rule prevented viewers from distributing it in turn.

    The ruling makes the television and movie industries the big winners, although Rich Taylor, an MPAA spokesperson, is quick to point out that "free over-the-air television would now be delivered."

    In a statement, MPAA president Jack Valenti called the FCC decision "a big victory for consumers and the preservation of high value over-the-air free broadcasting."

    "All the way around, the consumer wins, and free TV stays alive," Valenti said.


    At What Cost?
    But the ruling may mean higher prices for appliances like televisions and PCs, whose prices have been declining.

    "It's clear the scheme is fundamentally flawed as we are aiming to protecting content by re-architecting devices," says Mike Godwin, a senior technology counsel of Public Knowledge, a consumer watchdog group. "It's a costly approach to protect copyrighted works in the digital world."

    The FCC is not requiring consumers to dump their existing devices, but some say the rule will make some equipment obsolete. All recordings made on compliant devices will be encrypted, which means they must be played back on compliant devices.

    "More than 40 million DVD players in consumers' homes today will not be able to play content they record on new 'flagged' devices," says Chris Murray, legislative counsel of the Consumers Union.


    Adds Godwin, "You can't write to a DVD that plays in a legacy player." Also, PCs designed to receive TV signals will cost more because PC vendors will have to integrate the mandated copy-protection mechanisms.

    Other critics of the rule, including representatives of technology companies, say it does not address current equipment that can transmit digital content over the Internet. Just by allowing the existing equipment to exist and function, the FCC undermines the very holes it is trying to plug with the new rule, they say. For instance, most of today's TV sets are analog, and by capturing analog broadcast videos and digitizing them, consumers can circumvent the broadcast rule.

    Godwin says the rule also goes against the emerging convergence between entertainment and personal electronic devices.

    "We buy electronics with the idea of connecting them to each other," he says. With this rule, "we're going in the opposite direction."


    Compromises Noted
    A small victory for consumers, say consumer groups, is that the FCC rule does allow fair use of copyrighted content. Two commissioners dissented in part from the ruling, urging a fair use provision be included. However, how it will be implemented is not clear. Consumers can legally transmit copies of videos between home networks and their home and workplace offices, although the rule does not address details of how this might work, or how many copies are allowed.

    The same critics credit the FCC for not letting movie studios dictate the copy-protection technology. The MPAA wanted the rule to take effect next summer, rather than the July 2005 deadline set by the FCC.

    Some technology vendors are also breathing a sigh of relief that the FCC does not favor a single copy-protection technology. Several firms, notably Philips Electronics, expressed such concern when the rule was under consideration. The FCC has promised an open certification process for the copy-protection technologies.

    "Any [anticompetitive] concerns we've raised have been addressed," says Mike Epstein, manager of technology and standards with Philips' Intellectual Property and Standards group. But, he says, "the devil is in the details."

    For all the gray areas in the rule's implementation, most say the best scenario after it takes effect is for consumers to continue to seamlessly copy and distribute content under "fair use" parameters. In the worst scenario, incompatibilities could exist among different flag-compliant devices.

     
  2. Cohen

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    Of course, it will take the geeks all of three minutes to circumvent the "flag."

    :rolleyes:
     
  4. Cohen

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    Easy enough for PCs. Will need hardware for TVs and DVD players.
     
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    from what I've read about flags and such.. it mostly pertains to DTV (Digital TeleVision aka High Def) pay-per-view movies and events (wrestling, boxing, backstreet boy concerts).

    There is new technology that will prevent older HD set top boxes from decoding the flags... i think it's called HDCP (high def copyright protection) or something like that. So it will force everyone to upgrade their HDTV boxes and will force everyone with analog TV's, non HDTV's, to use a set top box.

    In a nutshell, you wont be able to watch over the air TV with regular rabbit ear antenna in a few years. It's all a scam by the Best Buy's & Circuit Citys etc to sell you bigger and better TV's and HDTV converter boxes.
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

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    But the people who want to send those shows back and forth will figure out a way to do it. The industry just needs to figure out that the more people who see their shows, the better.
     
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    How fast do they expect the Internet to be next summer (since they wanted these things in place by summer)?

    I can't imagine trying to upload or download a full-frame, digital copy of a television show at full quality. Even compressed and at VHS standards, a 22 minute show would be roughly 250MB. A movie at DVD quality MPEG2 can run over 2GB. It'd take me days to download that on the DSL.

    The thing that makes music work in download form is that it takes a matter of minutes to download a 4MB or 5MB file. It ain't the same with these monsters.

    I know people are downloading movies and stuff, but I can't imagine they're getting full quality. If they are, they've got a whole mess of time on their hands.

    Personally, I don't care if they can find a way to prevent uploading stuff to the internet AS LONG AS it doesn't interfere with my ability to exert my fair use rights to time shift shows or archive shows for my own personal use on my own personal devices, however many of those I may happen to have.

    If these products prevent me from streaming a show from my living room to my bedroom, prevent me from making a copy to keep and watch at another time or anything of the sort, they will be infringing on the rights the Supreme Court said I have. And I, as a consumer, won't be so much happy about that.
     

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