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Don't Blame the Conservatives' Demise on Only Poor Dubya.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Apr 8, 2007.

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  1. glynch

    glynch Member

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    I heard Robert Kennedy Jr. making a good point on Air American Radio.

    Some conservatives are attempting to blame the now obvious probems of the conservative philosophy and approach to govenrment on the hapless Dubya. They pretend there was the golden age of conseravtism under Reagan that had different results.

    IN reality Reagan did the same thing. He ran up huge deficits with tax cuts for the wealthy GOP base, and increased military spending.

    Clinton had to bail us out of the mess Reagan and to a certain extent Bush I created.
     
  2. adoo

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    what an insult to the Great communicator.

    Reagan did accumulated a sizeable deficit; it paled in comparision to Dubya's gigantic deficit. to lessen the deficit, Ragan DID raise income tax in his second term.

    say what you will about Reagan, he did land the KO punch to bring down the iron curtain
     
  3. glynch

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    I doubt that Reagan was was majorily responsible for the collapse of the iron curtain. It is true that fans of his conservative philosophy and even many in the mainstream media would claim so.

    I do agree that Reagan was president when Gorbachev had a major hand in the collapse of the Soviet System and it did collapse. There were many reasons including defects in their economic system. Like the present day US, the Soviets had a deformed economy and deformed scientific research priorities due to many years of excess militarism.
     
  4. deepblue

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    Umm, what exactly do you mean by "the present day US has a deformed economy and deformed scientific research priorities"?
     
  5. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Baseless, un-informed demagoguery and lies. Next thread...
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

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    I would think you would LOVE this thread given the fact that "baseless, un-informed demagoguery and lies" are your specialty.
     
  7. DonkeyMagic

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    isnt all the world problems b/c of bush?

    :p
     
  8. Qball

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    Yes..
     
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    He landed the KO punch???The Soviet union was struggling to hold down strategic positions in afghanistan.That had nothing to do with reagan,except for the fact that he encouraged the taliban to fight,ironic.
     
  10. adoo

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    come again.

    US and the USSR were arch competitors in an arms race. Reagan accelerated America's arm buildup; USSR could not keep up. it the process of keeping up w Reagan's pace, the Soviet's economy collapsed.

    In that connection, Reagan landed the KO punch.
     
  11. r35352

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    The USSR was a regime on the verge of collapse. If would have collapse regardless of Reagan. I see no evidence that the USSR would have survived except for Reagan.
     
  12. Supermac34

    Supermac34 President, Von Wafer Fan Club

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    It seems to me that everyone on this board is pretty short sighted.

    Give Dems 8-12 years in power and it will shift right back to Republicans...then after a few years in power it'll swing right back.

    Taxes will go up to 45-50%, terrorists will blow up the Golden Gate Bridge, but we'll have a balanced budget and a poorly run, over burdened universal medical care.

    After that, Republicans will go back in power, taxes will be around 25-30%, we'll kill a bunch of terrorists, but we'll be in a huge defecit, and the rest of the world will hate us.

    Take your pick.

    The best part I like is when the economy makes its normal 7-10 year cycles and whoever is in power gets the credit/blamed for whatever is happening.

    I'm pretty much fed up with the government with whoever is in power.
     
  13. adoo

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    evidence ? :rolleyes:

    if only you would compare the defense spending under Reagan's predecessor and Reagan

    i see no evidence of you doing any research on the Reagan era>
     
  14. GladiatoRowdy

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    When exactly was the tax rate at 45-50%.

    Oh, that's right, it has been decades.
     
  15. glynch

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    BTW the economy was even better back then and we did such programs as the GI bill and the Interstate Highway System. Programs which helped make America a strong middle class country.
     
  16. glynch

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    Well, people on the bottom do live in the present without enough money to pay for health care, child care, car repairs, utlility bils,their rent so they dont tend to look at the economy in terms of Elliot Wave theory or whatever. like the folks who manage insitutional money or several generation old family fortunes. These people tend to vote for government programs and are not as philosophical about the Republicans busting unions,freezing wages and so forth. Although as Bob Marley said in his song: "Preacher man done told you that heaven is in the sky.... So many of them vote for the party of the wealthy.
     
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    Communism Ended Its Disastrous Run as a Police State with the Berlin Wall Falling. Will We See the Curtain Fall on Bushevism?
    Submitted by BuzzFlash on Sun, 04/08/2007 - 8:14am. Editorials

    A BUZZFLASH EDITORIAL

    Last night we saw the gripping Academy Award winning best foreign film, "The Lives of Others." It’s an absorbingly bleak movie about how individuals in East Germany were under a 100,000 person police-state apparatus known as the Stasi.

    A loyal socialist playwright and his actress lover become the victims of a personal plot carried out by the Stasi at the request of a senior party member in love with the actress. Taking place just a few years before the collapse of the Soviet Empire, it details the creation of a government apparatus to "legally" suppress the residents of East Germany on behalf of the "security of the state."

    The results of a Stasi surveillance and entrapment assignment called "Operation Lazlo" are irreversibly destructive to lives, to art, and to the most basic of human rights – the right to love.

    Those who find it alarmist and sensational to compare the Stasi to what Bushevism – and its loyal party members – are continuing to try and achieve in the United States are naïve at best.

    It would take a book to review the list of government authorized (and unauthorized – as recent revelations from the FBI have revealed) efforts to both monitor Americans and use the courts to achieve the political goals of solidifying a permanent power base for Bushevism.......

    http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorials/129
     
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    While Russia losing the arms race hurt their economy did play a part in the fall of the Soviet Union, and Reagan deserves some of the credit, it wasn't the only cause, nor even the primary cause of their downfall.

    Gorbachev and his massive reforms in nearly all areas did far more than the one aspect that he had hand in. Reagan does deserve some credit, but it wasn't as if he single-handidly brought them to their knees.
     
  19. glynch

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    I'm not sure Reagan deserves the credit, but again, it did coincide with one of American's frequent arms buildup during his administration. The military industrial complex thing was well underway prior to Reagan and is still dominant..

    We did not get to the point of equalling or perhaps surpassing the rest of the world together in miitary spending overnight.
     

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