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DOGE’s Only Public Ledger Is Riddled With Mistakes

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  1. adoo

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    4 days after this was reported,

    Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency disclosed for the first time this week a snapshot of some of the government contracts it has canceled, claiming to have saved taxpayers about $55 billion.


    more mistakes / clerical errors by DOGE have been discovered


    DOGE’s Only Public Ledger Is Riddled With Mistakes
     
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  2. adoo

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    DOGE and Elon Musk keep making mistakes.
    How many can America afford?



    Why this sounds so familiar

    All of these mistakes echo what happened at Twitter after Musk took over in 2022, when it turned out that some of the people he mass-fired were actually keeping Twitter functional, and he had to hire some of them back. (“Babies got thrown out with the bathwater” is how he later described those indiscriminate firings.)

    Musk’s recent mistakes, though, aren’t just limited to firings. A 25-year-old DOGE staffer named Marko Elez was mistakenly given “read/write” access to part of the payments system for the U.S. Treasury—a system that disburses trillions of dollars every year.

    Elez’s access was quickly rescinded, but it’s unclear whether his receiving it actually was a mistake, or if DOGE simply got caught. (Apparently, keeping on a worker who trumpeted his flagrant racism online is not considered a mistake by Musk. When Elez resigned after the Wall Street Journal exposed his racist tweets, Musk made a public display of hiring him back.)

    And what are all these mistakes even in service of? When will the supposed spoils from the great austerity push make a demonstrable difference?

    Musk claims DOGE has already uncovered tremendous fraud, but the proof does not support those claims. Most recently, on Sunday, he declared, “This might be the biggest fraud in history,” when tweeting about a perceived discrepancy in Social Security records. His claim proved easily debunkable.

    Musk and White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt mainly seem to apply the “fraud” label to anything they find merely disagreeable, like $57,000 worth of spending relating to climate change in Sri Lanka. And some of DOGE’s line-item savings announcements are riddled with mistakes—like an $8 billion contract for the Immigration Customs and Enforcement (ICE) agency that turned out to be $8 million.

    It should be no surprise that Musk has already walked back his earlier vow that DOGE would cut about $2 trillion from the federal budget—or that these cuts may not be as beneficial as advertised. Musk has a long track record in the tech world of overpromising and under-delivering. In 2019, for instance, he confidently predicted Tesla would produce a million autonomous Robotaxis by the end of 2020. He reiterated that done-by-next-year promise in an earnings call last year, when he promised that Robotaxis would be coming in 2025.

    Even accounting for pandemic-related delays, and assuming his latest promise even holds up later this year, Musk’s original pledge is still off the mark by miles.

    For now, it’s mainly just Democratic politicians, critical press outlets, and massive public demonstrations sounding alarm bells over Musk and DOGE’s recklessness. No elected Republican officials who might hold any sway seem to be pushing back. (At least not officially; reports describe Republican lawmakers privately warning Trump officials about reckless DOGE cuts.) The question now is whether it will take a true catastrophe for top lawmakers to realize it was a mistake to ever toss Musk the keys to the U.S. government—and whether we’ll even be able to afford it if that does come to pass.



     
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  3. deb4rockets

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    Drug test that nutjob. I'm pretty sure he's doping big time. Then again, last time Trump was in office the White House Doctor was handing out drugs like the Candyman.
     
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  4. DaDakota

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    Musk is getting 8m a day PERSONALLY.......

    DD
     
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  5. Rocket River

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    Not Mistakes . . .. . . .but LIES

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  6. El_Conquistador

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    Petty criticisms won't stop the DOGE MACHINE from transforming our government to be more efficient and more productive.

    It's amazing how Democrats are so opposed to cutting waste. Must be threatening their gravy train...

    GOOD DAY
     
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    SAYING 8 BILLION when they mean 8 million is petty?

    LMAO

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  8. strosb4bros

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    This isn't thread worthy

    It's more semantics from people who have no core argument to stop cutting waste, excess and fraud in the government

    It shows the desperation
     
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    It's a typo. You have around 10 in each of your posts.

    OUCH
     
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  10. Rileydog

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    funny, I would think you might give a crap as to whether all the chest thumping from Doge amounted to any real difference, or is it really just a lot of arm waving.

    Being for cutting waste is easy. Cutting waste in an impactful intelligent way … well that’s where the little 1,000X difference means something.

    The trouble with Trumpers is that you guys are more interested in owning the libs, arm waving and waving around chainsaws. You don’t actually give a crap if meaningful policy objectives are accomplished. So long as your small brains get your little gifs, tweets or whatever nonsense Commodore is posting, you are sated.
     
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  11. Ottomaton

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    Musk showing up everywhere in his druggie sunglasses to hide his pupils should be a hard fault for anybody who isn't intellectually compromised by ideology.

    If your kids did that you'd freak out and send them to rehab immediatdly, if you aren't an idiot or completely disinterested in their wellbeing.

    Somehow Musk getting high as balls and dicking around with the core functions of governement is totally cool.

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  12. strosb4bros

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    lol... impactful intelligent way... like biden did the opposite of? The terms of Bush, Obama and Trump couldn't do? If it was easy, why wasn't it getting done? Because the web of bureaucrats getting their kickbacks wouldn't allow it.

    The trouble with pseudo intellectuals (none of you are real ones because you cannot go outside your predetermined narrative) is that you guys are afraid of recognizing anything that someone outside your hivemind does. Yours has been a life of participation trophies and self congratulatory sloth. Everyone is a trumper, an illiterate, a racist, a nazi... and it leads to smarter people quietly quitting the party. You have no one but yourself to blame for more and more extreme figures coming into leadership roles.
     
  13. Rileydog

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    funny, I never once me mentioned Biden Obama or bush. I made the simple point that being in favor of cuts is easy. Actually doing it in a meaningful way is a whole different kettle of fish. And giving a crap about doing it in a meaningful way is not something that Trumpers actually care about.

    Which your post proves, because nothing in your many words speaks to making meaningful cuts. You just want to rant and own the libs.
     
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    They're also apparently adding in the full cost of contracts even if they're like 90% complete.

    So if there's a $10 million dollar contract that has already paid out $9 million, they are counting it as $10 million in savings even though its actually only $1 million.

    Apparently there are so many like that that it accounts for a significant fraction of what they are reporting. It's not a "one off" mistake.
     
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    1. Consolidation of bureaucracies
    2. Complete transparency when it comes to payments and the flow of money (Americans on both sides are not in favor of unelected bureacrats doing what they think is best)
    3. Reduction of headcount across the board based on necessity (as a govt outsider I cannot give specifics without access to data DOGE has). Twitter was cut by 80% and I was told that staff was vital and the site would crash. It of course did not.
    4. Shifting money from the administrative class to the doer class. Institutions encourage too many Chiefs , not enough Indians.

    Teachers remain scarce while also struggling to keep up with the cost of living.

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    All this while American students perform the worst , and astronomically so when you consider $/student globally.

    Now let's look at healthcare

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    The whole system of middleman siphoning money is infuriating. If a month's dose of wegovy is $90 in France, it's $1,000 in the US due to unaccountable "middlemen". This is all bloat by design. All Americans should hope what Elon is doing spills over from government internals to their industry.. unless they're a part of the corrupt gravy train.
     
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    The point is all President's promise to reduce the size of government. No one runs on increasing it. So when the first administration in DECADES starts doing it, you're going to get overkill. It might be too aggressive for your sensibilities, but that's a result of how entrenched the corruption and system of kickbacks is. Blame those who allowed it to continue for fear of getting their hands too dirty (kinda like your mentality "oh it has to be done perfectly like my cinderella story") then those who have to come in and save the day.
     
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    Irrespective of whether I agree with you on the substance, and I do at least to some degree, at least you are in the land of posting substance rather than rant.
     
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    I don’t think all presidents promise to reduce the size of government. I certainly dont think that is true of all presidents in the last 25 years. I don’t think Democrat candidates generally run on that basis.

    There might be overkill, yes. But admit it, not lie or downplay. Don’t wave around chainsaws, that’s moronic trumper crap, not substance. I’m not talking about doing it perfectly. I’m talking about speaking the truth.

    At best, Musk is making many material misstatements regarding the dollars being cut by doge. More likely, these are intentional lies to sell the effectiveness of Doge in this initial shock and awe period because it owns the libs and pleases Trumpers.

    There should be full transparency as well, but Trumpers don’t give a crap about that either.

    If you want to minimize the mistakes or lies, that is your problem and suggests to me you are more interested in defending Trump and Musk than truth or transparency.

    I demand that no matter whether it is Biden or Trump in office and call it out in both instances.
     
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    1. Privatization for Elon
    2. Privatization for Theil
    3. Privatization for Zuck
    4. Privatization for Bezos
    5. Privatization for Andressesen
    6. Privatization for Altman
    7. I know I'm missing some more leeches.
     
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    We don't need to baby fake narratives for these clowns.

    This has nothing to do with "efficiency". This has everything to do with accessing public tax funds and teanfering it to private capital.

    Do you get it? It has NOTHING to do with "efficiency" or "cost cutting" or "removing waste".

    Absolutely NOTHING. let's stop engaging in these narratives.
     
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