I'm curious as to why the NAACP and Black Panthers haven't jumped in to condemn - and pre-convict -- these players like they did the Duke lacrosse players? Does a different standard apply for different races? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/04/09/minnesota.rape.ap/index.html MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Three University of Minnesota football players were released from police custody on Monday, but investigators said they would continue probing the reported rape of an 18-year-old woman last week. The players were arrested on Friday and questioned about the attack. By law, Hennepin County prosecutors had a deadline of noon Monday to decide whether to file formal charges against the players or release them. "We have concluded that additional investigation is necessary to decide whether or not charges should be brought," said Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman at a news conference. He said he would not comment on the details of the ongoing investigation. Freeman said prosecutors retained the option to file charges later. The players have been identified by the university as Alex Daniels, 20, a defensive end from Columbus, Ohio; Keith Massey, 20, a cornerback from Columbus; and E.J. Jones, running back from Edwardsville, Ill. Freeman said the players were released before noon on Monday. "They're free persons," he said. On Friday, Coach Tim Brewster suspended the players until the investigation was complete. The University of Minnesota's Police Department received a report on Friday that the woman was raped sometime between late Tuesday and Wednesday morning. The victim, whose name is not being released, was examined at a local hospital. Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
I think there is a double standard as we've all discussed before...Rape is rape, no matter what color the person is... That being said, I doubt the organizations you mentioned will get involved, as it would have to be about an injustice to someone of color, IMO...
FYI. The Hennepin County DA did not file charges. They said the investigation is still continuing but the prosecutor not pressing charges now indicates the case might not be that strong.
Unlike the Duke case, eh? As I posed the question -- Does "PC" Require Different Standards? If the woman in question is white, it will make an interesting contrast in how people "discriminate" in their outlook toward the same allegation. What's interesting is that I presume people innocent until proven guilty -- as I do in this case. I am just pointing out the hypocracy involved in the silence of the very people who declared the Dookies guilty until proven innocent.
In a sense. If it was a white woman, fury would have erupted over this fifty years ago. There could still be. There's lot of soreness when it comes to interracial raping, whether society admits it or not. The way PC is is that one group uses past crimes over another to elevate their position. It's become an unfortunate result towards tolerance.
Could you clarify your question? What kind of standards are you talking about? And from what does "PC" require different ones?
Why would the NAACP or the Black Panthers get involved if the victim wasn't black? That would fall completely outside of the issues that those groups exist to deal with. In the Duke case, race was clearly a factor, as the defendants allegedly used racial slurs against the alleged victims. This case doesn't seem to have anything to do with race, so why would the NAACP or the Black Panthers get involved? Should they come out with a statement to the press every time a violent crime occurs just because they've spoken out against racially-motivated violence in the past? thumbs, I'm curious about your motivation in posting this. Do you have some sort of animosity towards the NAACP or the Black Panthers?
Looking through history, the pendulumn is usually never in the middle. You have very strong monarchy before the feudalism ended and you had a huge backlash against that(French revolution), that didn't go very well as it got out of control and they return to a more powerful centralized government after that. Even in the western nations, free flowing capitalism drew backlash (ex. in the U.S. FDR's popular new deal etc). People talk about economic cycles all the time, but I believe there's such things as social cycle also. There's a chinese saying "the water wheel revolves every ten years" (or I could've just totally mis-translated that). Considering the racial landscape just 30 years ago (and the hundred years prior), I would give the current PC environment about another 20 years before we see some sort of backlash against it.
Of course. Why? Because they so quickly and vociferously declared the dookies guilty without waiting to determine the truth. If they weren't discriminating, they would be championing the woman in question. That is the hypocrisy I wish to point out. Otherwise, what is the difference now in their position in comparison with the KKK? Wrong is wrong whether it be black or white.
wow, if you truly can't tell the difference between the Klu klux klan and the NAACP and find them to be morally equivalent, that is just sad.
It is because of phenomena like this that I disagree with the existence of such organizations as the NAACP. Of course, private citizens are allowed to form whatever associations that they want. IMo, treating people differently because of their race is wrong, and condemning whites for alledgedly raping a black but not vice versa is certainly treating people differently because of their race. Look at the ACLU, they stand for a principle and they stick by it, even if it means representing the KKK (though I admire their principles, I don't agree with some of the things they do). EDIT: Looking back at that, I thought my pronouns might have gotten a little confusing in that last sentence. I admire the principles of the ACLU, not the KKK.
Sure, wrong is wrong no matter what. But the point of the organization is to champion certain causes. Are you disappointed that environmental groups gripe about environmental disasters but not murder? After all, wrong is wrong, no? This case has nothing to do with race. It has nothing to do with those organizations. The other case did have something to do with race, so they were involved. It wouldn't even make any sense for them to get involved in this case.
Except all the statistics show that black people are not treated fairly in the court of law - they consistently have higher conviction rates and sentence lengths across the board. Normally, organizations out there are focused on protecting the powerless - that's the case here. Do we really need an organization to protect the interests of white people? Do we not need organizations out there fighting for the interests of groups that are treated unfairly?
Are you sure about that statement? At least in death penalty cases, conviction rates are equal for black and white defendants (from what I understand). The race of the victim, however, does correlate with conviction rates, which is precicely why groups like the NAACP would find it necessary to champion victims of racially motivated crimes.
As much as I hate to agree with you, you are correct. They aren't even remotely similar. I'd say the closest thing to the NAACP on the other side may be the NRA. Which brings me to another question: My brother and I had a fairly light debate about gun ownership last week. He owns several, and just purchased a 357 magnum that he was giddy about. I don't own guns, and really don't plan to, but the argument we had was why anyone needs a pistol. I understand shotguns and rifles for hunting, but I've never understood the need for pistols. He said it's a good "kill" weapon, as in you shoot the prey with a rifle, and then you finish it with a pistol. What do y'all think?
Good thread, thumbs. My kingdom for a colorblind society! Keep up the good work and maybe one day white people will enjoy the same justice blacks do in this country.
May I also point out that Minnesota and North Carolina have fairly different history's with racism but even so I haven't heard racism brought up as an issue once in local, or any coverage, except for here on Clutchfans.
