Listen to 1560 and heard Richard "The Media" Justice say that Morey is reluctant to move Brooks, Landry and Budinger along with thinking Hayes/Battier "hold things together". Those comments made me ask myself, does Morey overvalue his players? He has assembled a nice collection of talent using low draft picks, smart trades and key Free Agent signings while creating great payroll flexibility but my impression was that these pieces were all movable so that they could be used to improve the squad at the given time. Not saying the given time is now or isn't but i've seen same information posted in most trade reports, which is Morey isn't willing to break up his core. Bottom line this isn't a trade thread or advocating that Morey is doing something wrong because he knows this team better then all of us but as a fan what is your take on Morey's approach to evaluating his talent? Let me make one thing clear I AM NOT ADVOCATING TRADING anyone of these guys as I perfectly fine sitting back and making our moves in the offseason but just really curious after hearing a few people mention similar things about Morey overvaluing his guys.
Hayes is not overvalued, but battier is and over-paid too. I just hope is one of his tactics to get something done.
Yes he does and so do most GM's. Sacramento and Minnesota come to mind the most to me. Cuban, as much as I hate him, is actually somewhat realistic.
I don't think he'd have a problem moving them if it was for a superstar like Wade or James. He does, however, not want to move them for trash like a lot of these trade proposals around here want to.
Every GM overvalues his players. you would be a dumb GM to just give up assets without a fight. I'm sure the value of a player to him is determined by the proposed player coming back in trade.
Stop there. Justice has about as much Rockets-insider information as I do. If he isn't talking about (or flopping about) the Stros, he pretty much has zero credibility
I think Morey undervalues our star players, but overvalues our role players. Maybe that is related to his moneyball...
I've heard this talk. It comes from other GM's saying Morey over-values his players. I think a considerably more likely scenario is that Morey is the only GM in the league that is valuing players correctly. And when you know what a player is truly worth, and the other GM's can't grasp that, it's definitely going to make some moves more difficult than others.
It all depends. Justice didn't mention what is on the table, did he? Every GM would be reluctant to move key players if the other team only offers garbage in return.
not really. with the exception of battier, the rockets have a great collection of talent that outproduces its contract which is second only to the superstar in terms of the type of player that every team drools over. the production that the rockets give you has resulted in an over .500 record despite being in the toughest division and conference in the NBA. and they have done that for comparatively bargain contracts. Morey values that highly because he should. because if he trades carl landry, the other team is getting a guy who plays like a $7m/year player but only makes $3m or whatever it is. that's incredibly valuable in a capped league.
Morey is doing what most gms are doing these days. Not trading his core players, trying just to trade the expiring contract for a useful player.
Agree but didn't really meant it to be insider info. I've heard a number of people say the same thing so it's not just him talking junk.
At work every week we get this newsletter with some little quote of some famous person (like M.L.K or someone of that caliber). I always read them and roll my eyes .... ... but the one for this week seems to speak directly to this thread: "Do what you can, with what you have, where you are" Strange
I am just going out on a limb and saying Morey knows more about each player then we do. Morey knows what he wants this team to look out for years to come so no he does not over value the players.
I think that sounds like the most likely scenario. Look at it this way.. Daryl targeted a third point guard on a losing team as more valuable than his starting point guard... and made a successful trade because of it. So it's likely that he has a set way of figuring what each of our guys is worth on the court and off and approaches trades accordingly.
One way to interpret the term "overvalue" is what the Knicks did by signing Jared Jeffries, Eddy Curry, Jerome James to absurdly, bloated contracts that overvalue their actual contributions to the basketball court. On the contrary, I feel like what Morey means by "overvaluing" his players is comparing their on-court performance/impact compared to their salaries. And we as Rockets fans most likely agree that the players mentioned (Brooks, Scola, Landry, Hayes) are "overvalued" by Morey's definition. Battier, however, is the one lone example where I feel that he is not overvalued, unless Morey truly believes his impact on the basketball court is more deserving than the roughly 7 million dollar contract he has, and in my opinion, that is probably what he deserves. So, yes, Morey does "overvalue" his players because we can all agree that Brooks and Scola and Landry are all worth more than what their salaries say. Therefore, in a trade situation, of which teams must make the incoming and outgoing salaries match, the Rockets and Morey believe they are at a disadvantage because Brooks, Scola, and Landry's basketball value is much greater than their respective salaries. So, moving one of those players will likely result in a lesser player, who makes the same amount of money, coming in. Take for example a hypothetical trade scenario where the Rockets want cap relief and they desire Big Z's expiring contract. Big Z makes roughly $11.5 million. Brooks, Scola, and Landry's salaries combined aren't even $11.5 million. And I'm sure we can all agree that the combined efforts of Brooks, Scola, and Landry are immensely greater than Big Z's, even though their salaries are not, hence Morey's definition of "overvalue".
Over valuing his players should be what a good GM should be projecting. I would think most GM's have a more realistic value of their players privately, as one of their day to day jobs is looking at and evaluating the player market. From reading a good number of threads and postings in Clutchfans, I would think that we, the fans, are the ones truly over valuing the Rockets players.
