Do coaches that constantly rule the team with an iron fist have a shelf life? With JVG it's my way or the highway. It does not matter about talent, if you don't follow his philosophy end up not playing at all or on the injured reserve list and out of the teams play-off picture. Other coaches who have taken a non-stop hardline approach with their teams in the past have proven to have a shelf life. One example here in Dallas was Ken Hitchcock. Great coach but after a while the team started tunning him out until they were no longer compatible and Hitchcock had to go...even after taking the stars to 2 finals and winning a Stanley Cup. I think another Manager that fits the mold is former Astro's Manager Terry Collins. Very good manager but he wears thin on his players after a while. So does JVG fit this mold? Will the players get sick of his JVG or the highway act. If so when?
It seems more with the fans around here than the players. The players like him, don't they? Or is that just what they say to the media. I've never heard a player who's been let go from this team or traded saying they hated JVG from get-go so you never know.
I believe that absolutely they do but a lot depends on the players they are coaching, for instance I think Yao will take more than Tmac......etc.... And, IMHO, I think some of the players have already started to tune him out, as he is constantly talking about a lack of effort to start games, and yet the team continues to go through the motions in a lot of games that should be easier wins. I believe some of the players pick and choose when to listen to him, primarily because he is always on the down side of things, and at some point, you just stop listening...... DD
JVG's half life is about 1 year. He has been here for almost 3 years now. So he should be only 1/8 of his original amount now. Hope this clears things up for you guys.
Absolutely unbelievable. The players aren't playing with effort so you're putting the blame on the coach for getting on them about it in the first place? Priceless. All of his former players wouldn't have such great things to say about him if he was the monster you make him out to be.
What a bunch of whiney arse crap you guys are spewing. Get over yourselves and man up for god sake. This is what the 1960's have given us; peace, love and a lack of a spine. JVG's to strict? Oh please, he is the boss for goodness sake. Its not a democracy, its a mywayoryourbuttridesthebench-ocracy!
Cabbage, I don't think he is a monster at all, I just think his attitude wears on the players, more quickly than others. And I agree that all coaches eventually wear out their welcome with the same cast of players. Do I think it is fair that he gets blamed for the players not putting out the effort, no, not really, but sometimes a different approach by a different style of coach might get more out of the players. Let me ask you a question, if JVG is calling out the players for a lack of effort and they don't respond by giving more effort, what can you do? I agree with the point of JVG, but the players are obviously not responding to his message. Maybe another style might get them more focused? For instance, Phil Garner over Jimy Williams.....different styles but with practically the same team Garner produced much better results. And for the record not all of JVG's former players have good things to say about him....Steve Francis, Boki, Jim Jackson, heck lots of them...... Some people like his coaching style and respond well to it...Yao, Jon Barry.....others not so much. I hope that explains my thoughts a little bit.....as I think all coaches lose the ears of their team's at some point......especially the JVG/Larry Brown authoritarian types. Again...IMO. DD
Thats priceless. So Pat Riley, Greg Popovich and Jerry Sloan must have real issues with their players then...
JVG is like a premium aged wine with a minuscule crack in the bottle. Unnoticeable unless you really look for it. But the true test is when you open the bottle. Bitter, bitter, bitter...
Riley did at previous stops, I believe that is one of the reasons he left both LA and NY. And if you read my whole post it talks about the same cast of players, and that certain players are more willing to listen than others. Popovich and Sloan may be the exceptions, but Sloan had 2 great players in Stockton and Malone who were very willing to be coached, and were self driven, and now has an all new team. Popovich also allows much more creative freedom on the basketball court, and his players respond to that. But those are 2 guys that may buck the rule... DD
jvg changed his offense to fit tmac, i believe we have a good group of guys who know that its in their best interest to listen to the coach, the only 2 guys in the past 3 years that have ever had anything with jvg at all that i can remember is like snyder and wells, and both are in and about to be in the rotation......jvg is a good coach, every ex rocket and current rocket says they love him and that hes excellent
Winning will ultimately determine whether or not this is the case. Two disciplinarian coaches with different results illustrate this point. Pop in San Antonio is loved and respected because he has the track record of winning. Fratello's act in Memphis wore thin because he didn't deliver. It's a cruel business and it boils down to results.
Fratello didn't have Tim Duncan (Duncan > Gasol if that was ever questioned). Pops has said time and time again he's no genius and whenever Duncan retires he'll follow suit. What Pops has done is maximize the time he has coaching Duncan, surround him with 2 other key players in Parker and Manu and follow their principles to a T. Put Pops in the Memphis situation and I bet he couldn't have done much better. Larry Bird once said coaches who were yellers had shorter shelf life because players tune them out faster, that's why Bill Fitch didn't last the whole Larry Bird era. JVG, to me, is a yeller.
Agree. If we don't get out of the first round this year, or at least take it to 7 games, I bet you might start seeing JVG's shelf life wearing thin.
