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Does Anyone Else Feel The Rockets Have Done Little To Improve?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Shooter1583, Jul 19, 2006.

  1. Shooter1583

    Shooter1583 Member

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    Looking at their additions, the only new acquisition we're SURE will contribute significantly is Battier.

    Other than that, the Rockets have only acquired young, raw and unproven talent. We have two guards-Spanoulis and Lucas--who are, maybe, 2-3 years away from being solid contributors. Spanoulis will need at least a year to adapt to NBA seasoning. It happens to all the top Euros--Nowitzki, Peja, Turkoglu. They all go through an adjustment period of, at least, 1 1/2 seasons.

    Lucas is enticing, but in all reality, his size is a huge detriment. When he IS ready to play solid minutes (like 15-20 per game), he'll be nothing more than a backup who can play some D, penetrate and pass. He won't be able to get that shot of his off on anyone, unless its Earl Boykins.

    Snyder has had a tumultuous two seasons and the fact is that he has had run-ins with solid head coaches--Jerry Sloan and Byron Scott. And that's because Scott allows freedom to play. If he doesn't become the defensive menace that we all know he can become, he might see maybe 10-15 minutes per. The point is that he's unproven and does not have the reputation as someone who can contribute nicely on a winning team.

    So the Rockets have done nothing but stock up on young talent. Talent that is maybe 2-3 years away from making a difference on this team. Hopefully, like CD mentioned, they are entertaining trades that WILL bring more immediate help, but the makeup of the current team embraces the mindset that we are in it to win a ring in the next 3-4 years, not now.
     
  2. Fuzzybear

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    Your sentiments are correct. When the Rockets missed out on Mike James, this was the road they were forced to take. I guess it really depends on how you look at it, either MJ screwed the Rockets or the Rockets didn't do enough to get him.

    What is stupid is the idea that we had to rush the Battier trade. As I have said before, I wonder whether this was because the trade was in place before Rudy Gay fell. Well it was either that or they just really wanted Battier.

    However, I have decided to put this behind me, and I hope others will as well. While ranting and getting angry at the Rockets for mistakes has its time and place, it is good to see them take the best available route for once. Yes, stockpiling young talent doesn't help immediately, but we really couldn't have done any better with the MLE or the TE's, and that is why I am currently positive.

    No it's not the best offseason, but maybe it's a blessing in disguise, we will simply have to wait and see.
     
  3. ima_drummer2k

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    Agreed. Can we move on from "the trade" now? It's over and done with, let's let it go.

    Like I said in many other threads, this year's success doesn't depend on whether we have Rudy Gay, or Mike James, or Michael Jordon. The most important ingredient to success this year is the health of TMac and Yao. Everything else is secondary.

    If they are healthy, we will see a HUGE improvement this year. Even without Gay and MJ.
     
  4. Champ06

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    It is about time Rockets get younger. I'm really tired of vets getting injured halfway through the season or lasted only one season. The best part is that if and when young players grow to be more competent and Rockets don't have to overpay to get FAs. Most of the players, Rockets acquired or intend to acquire are around 24 years which is close to Yao, McGrady and Battier age. This group will grow together which is needed in order to have great chemistry. This is a right step and I can see bright future ahead of us. Maybe I'm a bit optimistic here but that is how a Rockets' fan should be. ;)
     
  5. solid

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    Ironically, they passed on Gay because he was "raw and unproven" and might take years to develop and pursued Synder, VSpan, and LucasIII who are "raw and uproven" and might take years to develop. Gay may have more raw talent than all of them put together. Battier is the only "known" commodity. The Rockets need at least one or two more, perhaps via the trade route.

    We all need to stop looking for insight, logic, and intelligence in the Rocket's personnel moves. I have decided long ago that their management team is clueless, something that has been confirmed again and again. They are able to even overcome luck. Our only hope is Divine intervention, that God will have mercy on TMac, Ming, and the poor longsuffering fans.
     
  6. RocketForever

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    We still have Yao and Tmac. Now smile.
     
  7. OldManBernie

    OldManBernie Old Fogey

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    Whether they are improved remains to be seen. At least they have made a lot of changes. We are looking forward to having one or two new starters. The bench is totally different.

    In terms of number of players on the roster, the back court is set. Alston will be much more effective with a healthy TMac on the team. JL3 (if he signs) may be a dark horse. If Alston continues to shoot at a terrible clip, and JL3 can prove himself both offensively and defensively, maybe JL3 could get quite a few minutes. There will probably be an open competition for the starting 2 spot between Snyder and Head. All 3 are marginal starters at best unless Snyder and Head truly elevate their games to the level. The better defender and the better 3 point shooter of the two will get more playing time. Sura (if healthy) can back up both guard positions.

    There is definitely more depth at the 3 this year, but the 4 appears paper thin. TMac is a megastar when healthy, but he certainly wasn't healthy last year. Battier will complement Yao very well with his 3 point shot and his versatility. He will probably be the supersub of the team where he can play 2, 3 and the 4. He will start at the 3 if TMac goes down. Juwan Howard is the returning starter at the 4. His game doesn't mesh very well with Yao's because he's a post player. I'm not so keen on giving him up because he is the only post presence if Yao goes down. I expect Hayes to get quite a few minutes because he can probably grab a few loose balls offensively on the weak side and he's a good finisher.

    Yao Ming returns at the 5 with Mutumbo as a back up. Yao may be expected to play even more minutes considering how Mutumbo's game has deteriorated.

    Overall, this is a good team because of Yao and TMac. It just all depends on how the new players mesh with the big 2 and whether or not the big 2 can stay healthy. If healthy, I think this team can go far.
     
  8. OGKashMoney

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    The Rudy Gay move is different that the other three b/c in that trade, the bait was a proven vet in Battier. The other three moves were the best available options. So its not like they would have signed these "raw talents" if they had vets available.

    Just the difference in scenarios i see.
     
  9. TMACFORMVP

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    I like what we are doing after getting rejected by Mike James. Dont forgot our off-season isn't over yet we still have 3 million in the MLE with the 4.2 TE. Then CD was talkin bout activley lookin at trades. If McGrady and Yao are healthy with Battier and other role players like Snyder we will have most defenitley improved.
     
  10. thesaint

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    I totally disagree with u. Rox tried to pursue many proven players in the NBA like James and Banks but these players were just not worth the money they were asking or years. I think Rox took a good step by signing Span, Battier and maybe JL2. How can u say Gay has more talent when he has not even played in the NBA yet just like other players.

    Also its not the managements fault that Rox lost last season....it was injuries!!!! Yao n Tmac healthy is the main concern for this team and role players and it looks like Rox are doing great job acquiring mix of current NBA players as well as new and young players.
     
  11. Rocket River

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    2nd round of the playoffs . . ... . OR FIRE FOLX

    Rocket River
     
  12. jopatmc

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    Yeah, Boykins and Watson have soooo much trouble getting their shot off. So much overexaggeration. Lucas will be one of the 8 quickest players in the NBA. He'll be able to get his shot off.
     
  13. Yetti

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    Before anyone gets too down on themselves and or the Rockets they need to take a deep breath and pausea moment! The Rockets hopefully are not done yet, I expect two new faces to be added to the Roster.I consider that the first poster needs to relax and wait and see . There is nothing that we can do to assist CD in his decission making, so lets sit back and give him a chance to complete the team . I wouldn't be too concerned with JLIII and his height, he isn't! JL3 has just learned to use his other assets, like his speed and gymnastic abilities, he will be just fine!
     
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    I'm excited about the moves they've made, although I hope they aren't through. They've done a lot to improve. We have some groovy young players that will get us jumping out of our seats (or recliners), and the ultimate role player in Battier. He's a guy any team in the league would love to have. West hated to part with him. I still regret that we didn't get more out of the trade, but regret it less with each passing day.

    Besides, if Tracy and Yao are healthy this season, the Rockets are vastly improved, and playoff bound. It doesn't really matter who we surround them with. Having said that, we're surrounding them with some talent, and more talent than last year. Now, if only we could move Howard...

    With all respect due, I think your pessimism sucks. :)
     
  15. rocketfat

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    my sentiments exactly. having missed out on james, who CD did what he could to get, this is the best we could have hoped for this offseason, with more changes by trade still possible.

    he didn't panic and make any rash decisions with nobody good on the market. i can't fault them for feeling that battier is a better option for us than gay. i have no problems how we handled this offseason.
     
  16. MONON

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    Our off season was shafted by Portland & James. Have we improved? YES!!!
    Yao & T-Mac are healthy, Battier is twice as complementary to Yao & T-Mac as anything we had last year & we got younger & more athletic.
     
  17. rocketfat

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    I feel like the consensus was overly optimistic about last season, and overly pessimistic this year. Maybe that's a good thing.
     
  18. H-Dub

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    No the rox are welll on their way! My gosh people i hate you pesimist get outta here.
     
  19. A_3PO

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    Battier is the only significant upgrade to the roster so far. I believe there is more to come. With Battier added and if Yao and Tracy are healthy, the team we have now is pretty good. Our backcourt still stinks unless Snyder steps up and plays out of his mind. I'm hoping CD has one big move left.
     
  20. Matt78777

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    I don't know how good spanoulis is, but I'm pretty sure I'd take him over rick brunson anyway. Snyder's pass is tumultuous, but just by being young, athletic and 6'6 he beats out wesley in my book. Battier also beats swift because battier will show up to every game and do the little things (like not let pink eye get him down). Therefore, we are better than last season, and I would argue we are also better than two seasons ago because our power forward situation was a mess. I know some people doubt if battier is a pf, but he's better than weatherspoon, and howard is better than weatherspoon too. It remains to be seen if alston and co. is better than james and sura. Anyway, none of this means anything if t-mac and yao aren't healthy.
     

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