1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Remanufacturers

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by OddsOn, Mar 17, 2009.

  1. OddsOn

    OddsOn Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2003
    Messages:
    2,555
    Likes Received:
    90
    Another classic end around move by the Democrats to attack our second ammentment rights. Anyone who is a gun enthusiast should take action and write your senators and congressmen about this immediately...


    DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Remanufacturers

    Sunday, March 15, 2009
    DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Remanufacturers

    AND SO IT BEGINS...
    We all wondered when it was going to start--when the new administration would make their move against us as gun owners.

    Oh, everyone got upset about HR45--I'll bet I got over 100 e-mails warning me about this draconian gun registration bill that had been introduced in Congress.

    I was really glad to see Tom Gresham, host of "Gun Talk Radio," an editor, writer, television host on "Self-Defense TV," and one of the foremost gun spokespersons, come out and tell everyone to stop worrying about legislation so absolutely over-the-top--it would never get out of committee.

    Tom said save your energy for when we really need it--don't expend it trying to warn everyone in your e-mail list about legislation that would go nowhere.

    Now, Tom just interviewed me, and Larry Haynie, owner of Georgia Arms (http://www.georgia-arms.com/), on Gun Talk (http://www.guntalk.com/)--and Tom agrees, now is the time to "...unleash the hounds..." by which he means start e-mailing and writing your senators and congressmen.

    Now it has come clear...now we know what they intend to do.

    It is an end-run around Congress. They don't need to try to ban guns--they don't need to fight a massive battle to attempt gun registration, or limit "assault" weapon sales.

    Nope. All they have to do is limit the amount of ammunition available to the civilian market, and when bullets dry up, guns will be useless.

    Think we jest?

    Here are copies of two letters sent to Georgia Arms just Thursday evening--effectively cancelling a contract he had to purchase 30,000 pounds of expended military brass in .223, 7.62mm, and .50 caliber:


    Dear Valued Customer:

    Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency:

    Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case.

    Thank you,

    DOD Surplus
    15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
    Scottsdale, AZ 85254



    March 12, 2009

    Larry Haynie
    Georgia Arms
    PO Box 238
    Villa Rica, GA 30180

    Re: Event 7084-6200:

    Dear Larry Haynie,

    Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government.

    If you do not agree with the new conditions of your spot sale, please sign the appropriate box provided below stating that you do not agree to the new terms and would like to cancel your purchase effective immediately. If you do agree to the new terms please sign in the appropriate box provided below to acknowledge your understanding and agreement with the new requirements relating to your purchase. Fax the signed document back to (480) 367-1450, emailed responses are not acceptable.

    Please respond to this request no later than close of business Monday, March 16th, 2009.

    Sincerely,

    Government Liquidation.



    Got that? From now on, remanufacturers of military brass will not be able to buy surplus brass from DOD--actually from Government Liquidators, llc.--the corporation that sells surplus materials for the U.S. government. At least, not in any form recognizable as once-fired brass ammunition.

    Now all brass ammunition will have to be shredded, and sold as scrap.

    Georgia Arms, who brought this to our attention, is the 5th largest ammunition manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition in the U.S.

    "We're right up there behind Hornady," Larry Haynie told me.

    He also told me with the cancellation of his contract to purchase this brass, and the ending of his ability to purchase any more expended military ammunition, he will have to severely curtail his operation--laying off approximately half his 60-person work force.

    Haynie further pointed out this move is a stupendous waste of taxpayer money--reducing the worth of the brass some 80%--from casings, to shredded bulk brass.

    He stated most of this will now go to foundries where it will be melted down, cast in shippable forms, and likely be sold to China, one of the largest purchasers of U.S. metals on the open market.

    Haynie was manufacturing over 1 million rounds of .223 ammunition every month, which he sold on the civilian market to resellers, and to law enforcement agencies across the country.

    He will start tomorrow sending cancellations of orders for .223 to law enforcement agencies all over the country.

    You can expect this to affect every bullet you purchase in the future--with no reloaded ammunition available, the already strained new manufacturers will be unable to meet demand. They are already turning out everything they can build for the military market. The civilian market is stressed to the point even reloading components have become hard to find.

    Now, with this hit, ammunition prices will go through the roof in the next year.

    Your quality piece, sitting in your gun rack, will become a very expensive wood and steel, or plastic and steel club.

    What can you do?

    Google "contact members of Congress" or simply type in http://www.congress.org/.
    When you reach that site, type in your zip code--it will give you all your representatives, senators, and their web pages.

    Or you can find the addresses and e-mails of your own senators and congressmen by going to http://www.senate.gov/ and http://www.house.gov/. Both pages have locator aids at the top of the page.



    Here is a letter I just sent to Representative Bill Cassidy, Congressman from the 6th District of Louisiana, and Senator David Vitter of Louisiana. I will be sending it to every member of our congressional delegation. Feel free to copy it and paste in your own e-mail, sending it to your legislators.

    We have to stop this now!


    The Honorable Bill Cassidy
    Member of Congress from Louisiana

    Dear Congressman Cassidy:

    It has come to my attention that the Department of Defense has issued a directive that all expended military brass (fired cases) will now be shredded and sold for scrap material, rather than resold by Government Liquidators LLC to the civilian market for remanufacture.

    You may not be aware of it, but there is a severe shortage of ammunition available for sale to the public across the country, causing problems for shooters, hunters, and reloaders everywhere.

    Now, apparently the Obama administration, realizing they cannot move against private firearms ownership since the landmark decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in the Washington D.C./Heller case, has made their move in another way.

    By cutting off the resale of expended military ammunition to remanufacturers, they have put a stranglehold on the nation's ammunition supply.

    Further, they have reduced the return to the government on expended brass by 80%. What was sold for remanufacturer at a fair return to the government, will now cost the taxpayers untold sums of money as the cost of scrap brass is far below the price per pound for expended military ammunition.

    In addition, the use of remanufactured ammunition is a huge asset to law enforcement agencies across the country who buy millions of rounds of reloaded ammunition a year from these manufacturers for practice rounds.

    With this market gone, law enforcement will no longer be able to purchase inexpensive reloaded ammunition, and with the continuing combat status of military forces across the Middle East, original manufacturers of new ammunition are turning out everything they can make to the government, thus exacerbating the shortage of new ammunition in both the civilian and law enforcement market.

    Lastly, in these harsh economic times, does it not strike you as cold and calculating that the Obama administration has no compunction against ruining an industry that employs thousands of American citizens in the remanufacturing of sporting and military ammunition. One major resupplier, Georgia Arms, the fifth largest manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition has informed me he will have to quickly lay off half his 60-person workforce, as he has had to cancel contracts with dozens of police agencies who had contracted with him to supply them with remanufactured .223 ammunition.

    Georgia Arms has been practically put out of business by this directive that all expended military brass must be shredded. His current contracts have been canceled, and he is notifying his customers across the country he can no longer supply their ammunition needs.

    Please look into this immediately. This move by the Obama administration is nothing but a back-door strike against firearms ownership in this country--if shooters can't buy ammunition, the guns are little better than steel clubs--and this is obviously the intent.

    Thank you for your time and efforts in this serious attack against the Second Amendment rights of the American citizenry.

    Sincerely,

    Gordon Hutchinson

    Author "The Great New Orleans Gun Grab"

    Firearms Columnist for Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Mississippi Sportsman magazines.
     
  2. Franchise2001

    Franchise2001 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2001
    Messages:
    2,284
    Likes Received:
    20
    So maybe you should start advocating an end to the Iraq/Afghan wars so you can have your precious bullets.
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,273
    Likes Received:
    39,829
    Good news, we need to start getting serious about gun control.

    DD
     
  4. OddsOn

    OddsOn Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2003
    Messages:
    2,555
    Likes Received:
    90
    You are right we do need to get serious about gun control. Seriously stay on top of the wackos who are hell bent on taking that right away. There is a reason its the 2nd ammendment right after freedom of speech... :rolleyes:
     
  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,273
    Likes Received:
    39,829
    Yep, there is also a reason you can ammend the constitution, I am not in favor of taking them away, just controlling them and making them harder to get and eliminating assault rifles.

    DD
     
  6. weslinder

    weslinder Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2006
    Messages:
    12,983
    Likes Received:
    291
    This doesn't really affect anyone that doesn't shoot any of the ammunition that this affects, other than the ridiculous waste of tax dollars, but for those of us who shoot these guns, it's a big deal. .223 Ammunition is half the price of comparable .22-250 ammunition, and 9 mm is quite a bit cheaper than .38 ammunition, specifically because military reloadable brass is available. This will dramatically increase the price of shooting as a hobby. The DOD gets 5 times as much for reloadable casings as scrap brass, and gunowners get cheaper ammo. It seems like a win-win situation. I can't think of any reasonable justification for destroying this brass.
     
  7. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,273
    Likes Received:
    39,829
    Maybe they need the brass to print the new $1 coin.

    DD
     
  8. OddsOn

    OddsOn Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2003
    Messages:
    2,555
    Likes Received:
    90

    They are selling the brass to the Chi-coms.

    The second ammendment is very clear on this. There is already enough encroachment going on. The process for getting fire arms is already very controlled, everyone who purchases a gun has to go through an FBI background check.
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,273
    Likes Received:
    39,829
    Aha, lowering the trade deficit = great work.

    DD
     
  10. Franchise2001

    Franchise2001 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2001
    Messages:
    2,284
    Likes Received:
    20
    I don't see how a FBI background check even begins to encroach the 2nd amendment. If you aren't using your gun for military/militia purposes, then you should be under a microscope to ensure that you aren't a danger to society.
     
  11. weslinder

    weslinder Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2006
    Messages:
    12,983
    Likes Received:
    291
    Possible mea culpa:

    At lunch, I went to a gun shop to buy ammo to shoot this evening. I talked to the owner (who also owns a range across town) about this issue. He claims that scrap metal dealers have always paid more for once-used brass than the ammo remanufacturers, and has always sold it to scrap dealers. (Well, he sells some to customers for their own reloading.) He thinks that the remanufacturers are lying about how much they were paying the DoD for the brass, and were getting a sweetheart deal.

    None of this explains why the brass has to be destroyed, though.
     
  12. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    48,984
    Likes Received:
    1,445
    please point out the words "background", "check", and "assault" in the second amendment.
     
  13. CHI

    CHI Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    1,009
    Likes Received:
    323
    Gun control only hurts legal gun owners. It's doesn't stop criminals from acquiring guns.

    And this is coming from someone who hates guns.
     
  14. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,683
    Likes Received:
    16,209
    On the flipside, nowhere in the 2nd Amendment does it say that the government is required to sell ammunition to people. It's funny that when it comes to this, you're now pro-government-intervention and against the free market. You're unhappy that the government is no longer subsidizing the price of ammo.
     
  15. Bandwagoner

    Bandwagoner Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2006
    Messages:
    27,105
    Likes Received:
    3,757
    It won't be. This is all BS that will quickly be stomped out of existance.
     
  16. Bandwagoner

    Bandwagoner Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2006
    Messages:
    27,105
    Likes Received:
    3,757
    this isn't ammo.

    There is already a law against the .gov selling anything other than super old ammo through the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

    In fact, the only way it is lega for the .gov to dump ammo is to take it apart which takes more labor than putting it together and then it is also worth half as much.

    All this does nothing also as you can buy ammo at any store.
     
  17. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2005
    Messages:
    42,920
    Likes Received:
    39,925
    I'm not going to take the lefty side on gun control, but I do want to point out that this is not accurate.
     
  18. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,683
    Likes Received:
    16,209
    Sorry - to clarify, the government was subsidizing the cost of raw materials used to manufacture the ammo. Without that government subsidy, apparently the company mentioned in the article can't continue to function.

    According to the article, a supply shortage will increase the cost of ammo - though I have no idea how much of that is scare tactics to rile up the people getting the forward.


    You can expect this to affect every bullet you purchase in the future--with no reloaded ammunition available, the already strained new manufacturers will be unable to meet demand. They are already turning out everything they can build for the military market. The civilian market is stressed to the point even reloading components have become hard to find.

    Now, with this hit, ammunition prices will go through the roof in the next year.
     
  19. VooDooPope

    VooDooPope Love > Hate

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 1999
    Messages:
    9,244
    Likes Received:
    4,750
    I'm loading up on black powder and lead and arrows for my long bow and I'm afraid I'm going to need some thing more substantial... My tin foil hat isn't going to be strong enough.
     
  20. MoonDogg

    MoonDogg Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 1999
    Messages:
    5,167
    Likes Received:
    495
    [​IMG]
     

Share This Page