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Do fans want a system where free agency doesn't exist?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by meh, Dec 9, 2011.

  1. meh

    meh Member

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    Throughout the past year, the biggest whining has been about "Players dictating where they want to go". To me it's absurd. Because Free Agency is in every sport today. NBA, NFL, MLB, just about every major organized team sport has this. Can NBA fans stop talking about players not having the right to choose their own team through Free Agency?

    To be fair, there are ways to give the home team more leverage. For example, limited free agency. Say, Max salary for signing another team's player being 15% salary cap with any other team, but 25% of salary with own team.

    Nothing of the sorts was proposed last CBA. The owners agreed to it. The players agreed to it. These are the rules. You can't blame the players for choosing what's best for them given the rules written. I don't blame Diwght Howard. I don't blame CP3. If the league wanted them to stay on their own teams, they'd have made it possible for that to happen.
     
  2. Tom Bombadillo

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    I blame the players for not having the nutsacks to lead their own small market team to a ring.

    Lebron winning one ring in Cleveland would be better than winning 10 in Miami, imo.

    That's true greatness.

    Aside ffrom that, I completely agree with you!
     
  3. Raven

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    I despise free agency. It gives agents too much power.
     
  4. apollo33

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    Except neither CP3 nor Dwight is a free agent. They are dictating where they want to go while under contract with the current team. Nobody complains about player going to different teams in the actual free agency process. Except Lebron maybe because he made a fool out of himself and his city doing it.
     
  5. TheresTheDagger

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    Hate free agency, but its here to stay.

    What Stern did last night was wrong. And the NBA as a whole will suffer for it.
     
  6. meh

    meh Member

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    ??????

    You do realize that the only reason these players are in trade rumors is because they're going to be Free Agents, right? If CP3 and Dwight Howard have 4 years left on their deals, there would be no trade discussions.
     
  7. meh

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    From a romanticized view of sports, I agree. I want to see my players persevere together, work hard, and win. Had the Rockets traded for CP3 and Dwight Howard and won, I would feel something's missing. Something that's not nearly as sweet as the 94-95 championships.

    But from a practical standpoint, ganging up is the best way. Both for teams and for players.
     
  8. Kojirou

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    No they're not. They're just stating that if the Hornets and the Magic don't get their **** together, they'll leave when they become free agents. Isn't that better than Lebron's "Maybe I will, maybe I won't" act where he really screwed Cleveland over?
     
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    A franchise tag would do well in the NBA imo but too bad players won't accept it.
     
  10. apollo33

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    What do you mean? they are stating to the team I only want to be traded to LA, or NY or NJ, how is that not dictating where they want to go before free agency. Chris Paul wasn't going to sign with NO anyways regardless of what **** NO get together.
     
  11. Kojirou

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    Wrong. They're stating that the only team I'm willing to sign a long-term extension once I'm a free agent are those three cities, and while one may not like it, they're being honest and forthright about it as opposed to Lebron. New Orleans can trade Paul to wherever the heck they want ( I've seen leeb among others in the GARM suggest we should trade for him without the extension), it's just that teams are uncertain about trading for a Paul who won't sign that extension.
     
  12. wallyj12

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    The fans want a system where David Stern doesn't exist.
     
  13. LikeMike

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    A franchise tag or a new rule, where the team that drafted a player can offer significantly more money than any other team - something like that. Right now we have the cool kids (LA, NY, CHI, MIA, DAL) that everyone wants to hang out with - now the nerdy kids only get guys to hang out with, when their mother orders them to. But as soon as they are free to go, they go to the cool kids.

    The system won`t work like this for too long - because all the small market owners can`t make money if the fans don`t fill the stadiums (and why should they, when they know, the only way to get a star player is by drafting him, but by the team he truly developed into one he will find another team).
     
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    Though in reality, how many players have actually done that, considering that there's a heavy monopoly on NBA championships, in favor of Boston, LA, and even Chicago. Even while for small market teams, they do trade superstars away for declining talent, a better deal, or because they do not want to pay a superstar's salary for a particular player.

    Why is there a double standard for LeBron? I will never understand.
     
  15. da_juice

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    I agree, there's nothing like seeing guys you draftted develop into great players and then into champions.
     
  16. Aleron

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    to get rid of UFA, they'd need to get rid of the max salary, if they can't sign elsewhere, make teams match $30m offers so at least they're compensated for it.
     
  17. emjohn

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    Free Agency is great. And I wouldn't be okay with a system where drafting a player gives you their rights forever. Nothing would keep a team from riding a good player with crummy support or from short changing him on contracts.

    No free agency = no market value.

    Free agency keeps a fire under stingy owner butts to build a winner, like San Antonio did.

    What DOES need to go is stars holding a team hostage. Maybe retaining Bird Rights after a trade needs to be diminished (they should follow, otherwise a team "punishes" stars by trading them just before FA). There should be some kind of stick when we've got a Paul or Melo situation. You don't want to stay? That's fine, but you don't get to eat the cake too.

    Stars shouldn't be allowed to run this faux free agency the year before their contract ends.

    But free agency itself is not a bad thing.

    I think the biggest issue is, there are far fewer stars than there are markets. Always have been, and expansion has worsened things. The NBA won't do it, but contracting back to roughly 1986 size (24 teams) and relegating the rest with a few NBDL teams to a minor league would help tremendously.

    The idea of an "everyone's got a fair chance" system like the NFL (54 man rosters, 11 men on the field, 22 starters) is a pipedream in the NBA. Superstars run the show, and there aren't 32 of them to go around. There aren't 15.
     
  18. dsid411

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    Lebron winning one ring in Cleveland with the team he had would be better than all of Kobe's, Jordan's, Bird's, Magic's, and Wade's rings combined...
     
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    And now if he wins a ring it is as meaningful as winning all-star MVP.
     
  20. conundrum

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    No, no its not, that is absurd.

    I dont care who is on your team, if you win 10 rings in this day and age that is remarkable.

    Enough with the hate.
     

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