Do Conservatives only hate the healthcare mandate because they didn't propose it?

No, even if they had proposed it this time, they would have rejected it as soon as Obama adopted it. Many Republicans were still supportive of the mandate up until the last few years when Republicans decided it was an issue they were going to attack the president on.

 

nice trollin Nice Rollin.

WHO would think this comes down to a simple reason. sheesh.

 

They did that with carbon-trading too.

 

I can't speak for all conservatives but I oppose it because it scares the hell out of me. The government has become way too powerful. If the government can mandate that you purchase something for no other reason than being alive then what else can they mandate. We need way less government not more.

 

We don't need Obamacare.

We need a single payer healthcare system, and we need it now.

 

That's true, but good luck getting that.

 

I hate all legislation that I myself didn't propose.

 

We always see Heritage Foundation credited with the idea of the individual mandate, so I was curious as to how the guy most often cited has responded to the dreaded Obamacare...

Well, here's something recent -- straight from the horse's mouth...

I was going to highlight some points but then decided I rather not color anyone's reading. The main takeaway is that he claims that 1) his idea of individual mandate was markedly different from the current law, and that 2) he, and the heritage foundation, have changed their views and do not currently support their original idea anyway.

 

Yeah, I don't think it's simple in any case. Conservative, as a word, tends to mean you're more hesitant to embrace any sort of change or that you're at least much more skeptical of changing. Revisiting policies from the distant past, however, seems okay, as far as I can tell (e.g. taxation in an 1890's or 1920's type of model.)

I do think that *anything* this president proposed or proposes will be opposed by the majority of conservatives. It's just that polarized right now, and the right wing media overlords (Rush, et al.) have been incredibly effective in stoking the Obama hatred. His professorial ways have also hurt.

But yeah, if Obama proposed apple pie, republicans would vote unanimously against apple pie.

 

He should propose that they all stay in office.

 

They should hate it because it is an intrusion. The government should have no hand in business. They need to stop all the tax subsidies for fully operational companies, I understand start up companies, but these oil companies are getting way too much and haven't really given anything back to the consumers.

Conservatives should be against this because they should be against big government. If they thought this up they wouldn't be conservatives and I wouldn't vote for them.

 

And here's the response from a WSJ editor who worked at the Heritage Foundation when the individual mandate was first proposed: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204369404577211161144786448.html

I'll just highlight what I think is the key part:

 

Statements like this are funny.

 

Yup, that show how so many people have no idea how business works in the world these days.

 

Of course -- their nominee for prez pushed for it in his state and succeeded long before Obama was a blip on the political landscape.

 

Obama could have got if he or the democrats had any balls. They had a super majority and major swag due to the cluster that was W. Heck obama was trying to promote it to get elected.

 

Conservatives hate anything that a liberal is successful with. That's why liberals are also referred to as "progressives." The Romneys/Santorums/Limbaughs/Fox News want to dwell in the past and rehash their own failures.

 

Yes....but try juxtaposing the situation and liberals would hate it as a powergrab by insurance companies and overall neglect to fixing the "real problem"...with single payer/public option/entire overhaul/or some other grandiose though unrealistic answer.

This happens with grey solutions that doesn't immediately fix a damn thing not because either party isn't doing it's best (which is debatable in all cases each time), but because of a political reality that involves several differing and powerful factions/lobbies that will fight tooth and nail for it's survival or well(er) being.

We get sucked into it because we've been raised to choose between A or B so we're either "fer or agin it".

This thread isn't that different.

Addendum: There are also "true and blue" ideologues that would hate the thing no matter what. I would liken them to anti-gov militia men that were a bfd in the early 90s, yet somehow dissolved in focus once Shrub rose to fame.

 

Interesting hypothesis

Why Overturning ‘Obamacare’ Could Lead To Single-Payer

“Conservatives may find that they weren’t careful about what they wished for in opposing ‘Obamacare,’” Adam Winkler, a constitutional law professor at UCLA School of Law, told TPM. “The economic, social and political pressure for health care reform aren’t going to just disappear. There’s a reason every major industrialized country has national health care. If the Supreme Court invalidates the Affordable Care Act, we are likely to see a government takeover of health care in the next decade.”

In that scenario, progressives could turn to two alternatives that have proven successful at lowering costs in other countries: A single-payer plan a la Medicare but for everyone, or a two-tier system in which private and public insurers compete. Both concepts are anathema to Republicans, but their constitutionality is not in doubt — and the GOP has been unable to devise a replacement plan, which could give liberals ammunition for their cause.