Discussion of Potential Future Player Impacts on Team

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Well, I looked for some sites that had easy access to some of the data that I am missing from this thread that would make analyzing a player's impact on our team easier. But I failed to find anything. I still may add more data later, but for today I figured I'll just start comparing players one on one based on the stats from the first post in this thread and see what kind of discussion happens along the way.

Again, this discussion does not and is not meant to include anything regarding salary. We are only discussing a player's impact on the court in a Rockets uniform.

Let's start with Kevin Martin vs Andre Iguodala

Current Team Importance:

Iguodala is in all 3 of the top Five-Man units that have played at least 24 minutes together this season for his team, all of them with a rating of higher than 23. Martin appears in 1 of his team's top 3 units, and the unit he is included with has a rating of 0.0.

Iguodala has been healthy all season, and so it makes sense that he'll show up in a standard that requires a certain amount of time in a rotation. And with Martin only appearing in 12 games this season (which isn't an isolated incident, by the way), it makes sense that he'll only appear in one of his team's top performing units. However, the one unit he appears in has a rating of 0.0. Which essentially means that with him in the lineup, his team neither outplays or gets outplayed. And that's the best unit he shows up in this season; nothing to write home about.

Edge: Andre Iguodala


Plus/Minus Player Ratings:

Both players' teams have a +/- of -3.5 to -4. So both teams are comparable as far as performance. Andre has a +/- of -3.35 while Martin has a net +/- of -10.67. This means that both teams play better without these players on the floor. However, Martin makes his team significantly weaker when he is playing than does Iguodala. These negative values can be contributed to these players starting, but relatively speaking, Martin loses out here.

Oddly enough Martin is a stronger offensive rebounder than is Iguodala. But when stacked up with his horrible defensive rebounding, Iguodala gets the nod in this area as well.

Edge: Andre Iguodala


Offensive Ratings:

Now this is where I would expect Kevin Martin to really shine. The big knock on him has been his defense but his offense has always been the argument that keeps him in discussions of interest.

However, reviewing his key offensive numbers from this season shows that his FG% is 3.3 percentage points lower than is Iguodala's, though his 3P% is 6.3% higher. Their eFG% are very similar with Iguodala having the slight edge here by 1.1%. And their PER values are also very similar with Martin getting the slight edge by 0.38.

Oddly enough, Martin doesn't shine here as expected, having an offensive value about on par with Iguodala this season. The biggest difference in their offensive performances would have to be their playing styles. Martin will probably spread the floor a bit more with his outside shooting, but what Iguodala lacks in outside shooting he makes up for in effective field goal percentage.

Edge: Even


Defensive Ratings:

Iguodala's numbers are higher in rebounds (by 2.0), steals (by 0.44), and blocks (by 0.41). But Martin has the edge in our own team's method of playing defense, taking charges by 0.25. Iguodala gets the nod here having a better rebounding average and a higher defensive plays value.

Edge: Andre Iguodala


Conclusion:

As a better defensive player, a better rebounder and having more value to his team than his counterpart, Andre Iguodala is the clear cut winner between these two players as far as performance on the court this season. He has a history of staying healthy and as such he is able to stay on the floor building team chemistry and becoming a big part of his own team's success. With Martin's only area of expected strength neutralized this season, Iguodala comes out as the winner hands down.

Total Edge: Andre Iguodala

 

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Thanks guys. I appreciate the feedback.

Well, I looked for some sites that had easy access to some of the data that I am missing from this thread that would make analyzing a player's impact on our team easier. But I failed to find anything. I still may add more data later, but for today I figured I'll just start comparing players one on one based on the stats from the first post in this thread and see what kind of discussion happens along the way.

Again, this discussion does not and is not meant to include anything regarding salary. We are only discussing a player's impact on the court in a Rockets uniform.

Let's start with Kevin Martin vs Andre Iguodala

Current Team Importance:

Iguodala is in all 3 of the top Five-Man units that have played at least 24 minutes together this season for his team, all of them with a rating of higher than 23. Martin appears in 1 of his team's top 3 units, and the unit he is included with has a rating of 0.0.

Iguodala has been healthy all season, and so it makes sense that he'll show up in a standard that requires a certain amount of time in a rotation. And with Martin only appearing in 12 games this season (which isn't an isolated incident, by the way), it makes sense that he'll only appear in one of his team's top performing units. However, the one unit he appears in has a rating of 0.0. Which essentially means that with him in the lineup, his team neither outplays or gets outplayed. And that's the best unit he shows up in this season; nothing to write home about.

Edge: Andre Iguodala


Plus/Minus Player Ratings:

Both players' teams have a +/- of -3.5 to -4. So both teams are comparable as far as performance. Andre has a +/- of -3.35 while Martin has a net +/- of -10.67. This means that both teams play better without these players on the floor. However, Martin makes his team significantly weaker when he is playing than does Iguodala. These negative values can be contributed to these players starting, but relatively speaking, Martin loses out here.

Oddly enough Martin is a stronger offensive rebounder than is Iguodala. But when stacked up with his horrible defensive rebounding, Iguodala gets the nod in this area as well.

Edge: Andre Iguodala


Offensive Ratings:

Now this is where I would expect Kevin Martin to really shine. The big knock on him has been his defense but his offense has always been the argument that keeps him in discussions of interest.

However, reviewing his key offensive numbers from this season shows that his FG% is 3.3 percentage points lower than is Iguodala's, though his 3P% is 6.3% higher. Their eFG% are very similar with Iguodala having the slight edge here by 1.1%. And their PER values are also very similar with Martin getting the slight edge by 0.38.

Oddly enough, Martin doesn't shine here as expected, having an offensive value about on par with Iguodala this season. The biggest difference in their offensive performances would have to be their playing styles. Martin will probably spread the floor a bit more with his outside shooting, but what Iguodala lacks in outside shooting he makes up for in effective field goal percentage.

Edge: Even


Defensive Ratings:

Iguodala's numbers are higher in rebounds (by 2.0), steals (by 0.44), and blocks (by 0.41). But Martin has the edge in our own team's method of playing defense, taking charges by 0.25. Iguodala gets the nod here having a better rebounding average and a higher defensive plays value.

Edge: Andre Iguodala


Conclusion:

As a better defensive player, a better rebounder and having more value to his team than his counterpart, Andre Iguodala is the clear cut winner between these two players as far as performance on the court this season. He has a history of staying healthy and as such he is able to stay on the floor building team chemistry and becoming a big part of his own team's success. With Martin's only area of expected strength neutralized this season, Iguodala comes out as the winner hands down.

Total Edge: Andre Iguodala