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Difference between Conservatives and Liberals

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Jul 10, 2010.

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Which of the following are true about conservatives / liberals

  1. Liberals are more intelligent

    24 vote(s)
    42.9%
  2. Conservatives are serial killers

    9 vote(s)
    16.1%
  3. Liberals are less happy

    14 vote(s)
    25.0%
  4. Liberals are more likely to be slobs

    11 vote(s)
    19.6%
  5. Conservatives are skittish

    10 vote(s)
    17.9%
  6. Conservatives give more

    14 vote(s)
    25.0%
  7. Liberals are more open-minded

    39 vote(s)
    69.6%
  8. Conservatives pump more iron

    11 vote(s)
    19.6%
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  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

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  2. finalsbound

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    eh, i wouldn't be surprised if all were true to some degree.

    chart (warning...pretty big):

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  3. krnxsnoopy

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    Very interesting diagram! Thanks..

    I agree with most, but the part where it says conservatives don't want to 'interfere' with society. Isn't that untrue when many conservatives try to force their beliefs/ideas/lifestyles onto others (such as gay marriage, abortion, legalizing mar1juana) while liberals tend to believe these type of personal decisions should be left up to the person?

    I know this is in stark contrast to conservatives being against government having too much control over them through taxes and spending, etc. Yet they believe when it comes to certain societal/personal decisions, the government should step in and take the decision making out of the people.
     
  4. Mae

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    It says in the chart that conservatives help those who help themselves but in the article it says that conservatives are more likely to donate and give blood? Isn't that helping those who need help?

    And it seems rather odd to take four or five known serial killers and state that it's heavily one sided. Wiki has a long list of serial killers in the U.S. and I'm sure only like half are republicans. There's no real way of knowing though.

    Serial Killers
     
  5. Ubiquitin

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    Strut that ass.
     
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    Correct about their stances on drugs, gay marriage, and many would also throw in the death penalty. With regards to abortion, Conservatives argue that the unborn child's right to life trumps most, if not all concerns the mother has.

    That contradiction is more a function of the chart's loaded language in the Conservative section (backwards, law of the jungle, etc.) Conservatives believe that it is the responsibility of free individuals to step up and help the downtrodden, not the government.

    I think what the chart really gets right is the fundamental choice each side makes in whether to sacrifice freedom or equality at the expense of the other ideal.
     
  7. Lynus302

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    I can't support conservatives because they say they want less government interference and regulation but then want to regulate personal choice and personal freedom.

    I can't support liberals because they say they want personal choice and personal freedom but then want to interfere and regulate the s**t out of everything.

    Folks like me who just want to be left the hell alone and not hassled are tossed aside while the regulators say they don't want to regulate, and vice versa.
     
  8. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I have always struggled to understand the conservative "anti-regulation" obsession.

    Yes, we all want a free market place.

    But don't we all want clean air and water too? I mean, what's wrong with regulations that protect us from corporations from gross neglect of our well-being?

    Look at freakin China - were the lack of regulation has so many people getting sick or taken advantage of.
     
  9. AXG

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    The only difference is the way the act when in the public eye. When the cameras are off, they're all the same.
     
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    I'm not sure that the conservative/liberal label means much. You can be a social conservative and an economic liberal at the same time. Plus the older you get, the more "conservative" you become. One thing for sure: both "sides" are for freedom only when it suits their world view.
     
  11. Lynus302

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    Directed at me? I don't know, but like I said: If you just want to be left alone, then it's not so difficult to understand. And it's not that I'm 'anti-regulation.' Some regulation is great: clean air is good. Safety standards are good re: working conditions, pharmaceuticals, vehicles, all that stuff. Communist China, like you said, had zero regulations, and its people had to go outside with face masks on just to breathe, so this obviously isn't a left-right thing (for me, at least).

    Like I said in my post, the right says no to a lot of regulations; they even use it as a rallying cry. But then they want to regulate what we can and cannot do with our bodies whether it's who we can marry, who we can have sex with, or what we can ingest. On the other hand, the left claims to champion those exact personal freedoms yet wants to regulate/limit gun ownership, tax everyone to death, and cancel Christmas.

    I have no problem with some social programs going toward the less fortunate, and I'd even advocate for stricter oversight....I was a kid in a single-parent household and my dad died when I was 17. You think I qualified for anything when it was time to go to college? Hell no. I was able to collect my dad's social security for not even a year. Then when I turned 18, nothing. I couldn't get money for school like Pell Grants or special scholarships....nothing. But I took out loans and went anyway.

    When Tropical Storm Allison hit Houston, my mom lost her car and my 90yo grandfather lost his house and all of its contents were destroyed. I think he got $2000 from FEMA and we were happy to receive that. The Red Cross was giving away mattresses. Think he could get one? Nope. Allison nearly killed him, and if my mother didn't have an extra mattress in her attic, he wouldn't have had a bed to go along with that pot to piss in.

    Sorry for the rant; I didn't mean to derail....my point on the left is that the left seems to think that throwing money into social programs will fix all ills. It sounds nice and looks great on paper, but it's just not reality. Not in my experience, anyway. You've got to do it yourself and you can't rely on the government to save you or really even help you, so stay out of my way and let me do it my damn self.

    I hate all these f**king people. They're all liars and hypocrites.
     
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    You're picking and choosing your own definitions. When liberals use the term "anti-gov" or "anti-regulation" to describe the conservative party, you're essentially describing them as the party of anarchy. I don't know any conservatives who call themselves anarchists.

    Personally, im a staunch supporter of the 10th amendment. We need programs like the FDA, EPA, FCC, ect., but they should have all been setup through amendments to give the gov. power to regulate these. Thats what the amendment process was for.
     
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    I don't get it though. What would conservatives opt for then?

    They claim liberals want to regulate their lives? By what? Allowing people to marry who they want? Allowing them to control their bodies?

    I have no desire to tell someone what to do. All I want is for businesses not to lie to me and sell me meat contaminated by poop, or poison my drinking water, or pollute the air I breath or douse my food with pesticides. Or do things with my money while it's in a bank account. Or let business lie to me about what I am buying.

    Yet this is exactly the kind of things republicans in congress decry as "liberals trying to regulate". Conservatives have stood against safety standards on many many cases....everything from OSHA to Pesticides. Fuel standards, FDA, EPA - they don't want financial regulation, they don't want to regulate big oil either.

    And when these things cause massive disasters - we've witnessed two of them in the financial collapse and the oil spill - they still find a way to blame liberals for them!

    I just find it annoying, but I don't want to derail this thread either. I can't understand - and believe I tried. I really have tried - to get what it is conservatives rally against. They want to let the auto industry and banking industry to collapse - let the free market do it's thing, and then cry if it leads to unemployment????

    It just makes me think they really don't study or try to learn about the issues but make snap judgements to fit their view of the world.
     
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    ????

    They have a long history of opposing safety, environment, and anything else that tries to protect abuse of consumers or the public by companies. I don't get how saying that's being anti-regulation is hyperbole or extreme.
     
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    Oops. Nix my comment; didn't even look at the article.
     
  16. OddsOn

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    LOL....this is a joke right?

    Lets be honest here, there are good and bad people regardless of any so called political affiliation.

    A friend of mine put it to me this way....

    Progressive Liberals are like children, they think with their hearts and use feelings; they have a need to be taken care of; they tend to see the world through rose colored utopian glasses;

    Conservatives are like mature adults, they think with their brains and use logic and reason; they just want to be left alone and take care of themselves; they see the world as a realist and recognize that there will always be the good the bad and the ugly;
     
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    That must be why you want to ban gay marriage, or tell a woman what she can do with her body.
     
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    Well one is immoral and the other is murder; neither of which add anything positive to society.
     
  19. krnxsnoopy

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    Interesting.. because I think you have it backwards. Conservatives let their religious, moral beliefs override reason and science. Liberals are generally the ones who think more objectively and are more open minded to new ideas. It is the conservatives that sees the world should fit into their UTOPIAN glasses. Liberals believe an 'ideal' life can be achieved in many ways and decisions should be left to the individual.
     
  20. krnxsnoopy

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    That's what YOU think.
     

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