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did webber say he'd decide before the draft?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by verse, Jun 25, 2001.

  1. verse

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    or am i misremembering (is that a word?) something?
     
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    yes.

    But he forgot to add that it is illegal to tell anyone before July 1st. I guess he could say, I'm leaving Sac for sure, but he can't pick a team until after July 1st. We will never know if he actually obeys that rule, though.
     
  3. Band Geek Mobster

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    yes.

    Misremembering is a word.

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  4. Colby

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    Tampering is a very gray area. If Webber was to be in Houston on draft day, would that be it or will he wait till mid june to tell. I hope not.

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  5. verse

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    or maybe he meant he'll tell whatever team he's going to ... in private ...

    (stroking the kevin garnett chinstrap beard)

    hmmmmm...

    guess we might have a real good idea by draft night, depending on what the rox go after (pf or c)

    (stroking the kevin garnett chinstrap beard)

    hmmmmm...
     
  6. The Rocket Guy

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    Everybody's talking about Chris Webber. Orlando wants him, Indiana wants him, New York wants him, and Houston wants him. The thing is, Chris is going NOWHERE! Here's why:

    Chris is playing on one of the best young teams in the NBA. The Kings are up and coming, in fact they looked like a potential WCF team until late in the season. With another year together they can go a long way and maybe even challenge the Lakers. The Kings can pay Chris the maximum contract he wants and assure him of a strong finish to his career. He wants a 7 year deal to play for a championship-calibre team and that is Sacramento as much as any other team in the NBA barring LA.

    New York can't afford Webber unless Allan Houston agrees to a sign-and-trade. Houston flat out said he won't do that, so that doesn't happen.

    Orlando doesn't have the cap space to sign Webber, and they are primarily after Antonio Davis, who they also can't afford. They have been asking Houston to help them clear some cap space - yeah, right. We'll take some cap fodder to help THEM sign the best free agent out there. Not.

    Indiana also wants Chris but needs help to get him. Isiah Thomas has said he is willing to send Best, Harrington, O'Neal, and Croshere to SAC for Jason Williams and Webber. They, however, woud most likely have to bring in Houston, giving us Croshere and getting Shandon Anderson in return as part of the deal. Right. Again, I say the Rockets won't help another team get a free agent that they, themselves are after.

    The Rockets are likely to land Croshere anyway, as the Bulls have a deal ready to get Cato and it is rumored to be a 3-way with Houston involving Croshere (Houston) Cato (Bulls) and Brad Miller (Indy).

    I believe that Chris Webber, who has been attending team workouts for potential draftees (with Predrag), will stay right where he is. He knows the team, he knows the organization, and he can get as much money as anyone can give him. As exciting as it would be to watch Webber play with Steve Francis and Cuttino Mobley, it doesn't make much sense fom him to leave Sacramento.

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  7. heypartner

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    Colby,

    You really think this is a gray area. When in the history of free agency has any player named a team they want to go to on or before draft day.

    I think that is pretty cut and dry. No one does that, because their are likely severe repurcussions, like possibly even robbing the player of their free agent status for a year. The only thing that is gray about Free Agents openning their mouths before they are allowed to is their punishment. And if any team talks to them and Stern finds out, there are severe consequences for that.

    There is no question in my mind, Webber cannot go public, nor can he tip off a team in an obvious manner.

    I guess you are just saying that unspoken words represent gray area. Sort of like how I always thought Toby Kissler liked me, because she was friendly to me and touched me once on the arm. hehe

    Webber is just touching everyone on the arm and smiling at you.
     
  8. cson

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    what's to keep Webber from going to the Lakers? Anybody?.........Anybody?.........

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    Salary Cap

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    My inside sources tell me that Webber will either sign with Houston, Orlando, Los Angeles, Indiana, New York, or Sacramento.

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    Answering the Rocket Guy:

    You lean too heavily on the guy at bskball, I believe, who, I believe, must be an entrepreneur/former business major, because he tends to think in terms of business rather than in human terms. Webber doesn't have to answer to all the Kings fans out there. He was quoted in print as saying he knows he might make a decision that others dislike, but that he has to think about himself first and foremost.

    Wherever he signs, he'll be there for another 7 years, so if he stays in Sacramento, it'll be because the Rockets went in another direction (don't know about that) or potential trades didn't go through.

    Bskball wrote about Webber watching potential draftees working out for the Kings recently, and why would a guy with one foot out the door do that? Answers: Probably to keep up appearances. Probably because he promised the Maloofs he would. Probably in case he gets stuck in Sacramento.

    The Kings are a great team. Sacramento, however, is not a great place for a young black man from the big city.

    Personally, I think landing Webber would be a coup, but I'll take Loren Woods/Marc Jackson/MoT/Croshere/TMo/Cat/Steve if necessary.

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    I don't think many NBA guys would do this to "keep up appearances" per se. You're probably closer with: in case he gets "stuck" in Sacremento.
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    my inside source tells me that webber will sign with a team in the nba. and is 100% sure it wont be the clippers or nets or bulls.

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    Hey, she did the same thing to me!

    Why, that . . .


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    ... oh, yeah, about Webber. What he said, I think, was that he "would have a good idea" where he was going by the draft.

    My impression was that he'd told Sacramento to line up a deal by July 1 (in order to keep them from stalling him until his options dried up).

    As far as TRG's argument, I'd say Webber took two lessons from the playoffs:

    (1) Sacramento does not have the stuff of a championship team in the immediate future, even if he stays. Divac is aging (something that C-Webb obliquely referred to during the season), and Peja/J-Will haven't progressed fast enough to let the team do much more than tread water. Sure, teams need to pay their playoff dues, but in three years they've progressed from going 5 games in the first round to being swept in the second round. At that rate, when will they make the Finals? 2014??

    (2) The Lakers showed how unbeatable a two-superstar combination can be. So C-Webb should look for a team where he can form a more effective 1-2 punch ... whether that's with Spree in NY, Jalen Rose in IND, Tracy McGrady in ORL, or Francis in HOU. The "partner" he chooses (or is able to choose) will influence his success, teamwise, over the next 7 years more than anything else.

    Whether Webber admits it to himself or not, any team where he's the undisputed best player isn't going very far in the playoffs. And that's what Sacramento looks to be.

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    Heypee - My question was if Webber was in Houston on draft day and through the weekend, wouldn't that be a signal he was heading to Houston?

    I would not however, call this tampering.

    This to me would be a gray area, much like visiting Orlando to house hunt.

    If you believe there are no wink wink deals in the NBA.....


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    I find it funny someone saying Sacramento does not have the stuff of a championship when it comes from a fan of a team that Sacramento has beat 7 out of the last 8 times they played.

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    The Clippers beat the Rockets 3 out of 4 times this year. The Clippers don't have what it takes to win a championship.
     
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    I find it funny someone saying Sacramento does not have the stuff of a championship when it comes from a fan of a team that Sacramento has beat 7 out of the last 8 times they played.

    Just so ya know, Swopa's a Warriors fan, but he does present a pretty good argument.

    And I guess it would be 8 out of 8 for the Warriors eh Swopa? [​IMG]

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    If you look at Antonio Davis, he stated that if Orlando wants him, he would go there.

    I do not think that is illegal. He is not negotiating with the team, he is just stating where he wants to go, which lets other teams no ahead of time, not to waste their time waiting on him. Barkley did the same thing at Phoenix, and was not fined by Stern.

    I think if Webber is going to leave Sac., then he will announce where he wants to go soon, so Sacramento has some time to move forward. But if he does not announce it soon, he will probably stay in Sacramento.



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  20. verse

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    barbourdg (btw, you have to explain this name!),


    that would seem to make the most sense to me. i mean, if he's serious about wanting to play for a contender, you would think he'd want to give them opportunity to build (read: draft) around him. i mean, why have a team draft a rebounding small forward (thinking they'll need help on the boards) when what they really need is a sharp shooting small forward (since you'll be the windexman)?

    i think the answer for webber will be known by the end of the week.


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    oh, and The Rocket Guy,

    you're wrong. indiana has said that if sacramento wants jermaine o'neal that would be a deal breaker.
     

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