Did conservatives ever say mea culpa re:nationbuilding?

Didn't you know? 9/11 changed everything. Hence, if Bush and his people change any position whatsoever on anything at all, the answer is 9/11 changed everything.

What a wonderful gift 9/11 was to this administration. Bush gets to spend his whole first term free from criticism from anyone, lest they be labeled unpatriotic. From the Patriot acts to preemptive strike doctrine to historic tax cuts for the rich, the answer is the same: 9/11 changed everything. And if you don't see this and agree with everything Bush and co. does, well, I guess you just want another 9/11, mister!

An incredible gift.

 

Like I said before...9/11 gave Dubya something he never would have had otherwise.

Legitimacy.

 

You're right there, Tex. But don't forget freedom from any criticism whatsoever and a free ticket to jettison the "compassionate" from his conservatism and do whatever the hell he wants free from said criticism.

 

I don't care for the ridiculous extension of 9-11 'logic' either. But I find it just as 'fascinating' that the left would have taken no immediate actions to diminish the threats to the US (although I think the left's view is critical to diminishing the threats to the US in the long-term)

 

Wasn't Bush against nation building during the 00 campaign.

 

Why would you say something like this, Cohen? Do you think Gore wouldn't have gone to Afghanistan? Do you think he wouldn't have gone after Al Qaeda? Would he not have increased security in airports and other public places? What you find 'fascinating' is a guess and it's not even a good guess. No immediate actions? What? Are the Patriot Acts and a preemptive strike doctrine the only things which classify as actions? Of course the left would take actions. It is an extension of the silly if-you-don't-agree-with-everything-we-do you want more 9/11's thing to suggest that the left would do nothing.

 

Yes.

George Will said conservatives would have to eat their words. I wouldn't doubt that the Weekly Standard and the neoconservative wing have supported nation- building for a while now.

It's unfortunate the liberals aren't keeping up with the latest arguments and stuff. But then, they aren't sure if they support the war yet, either.

 

9/11

 

George Will is not George Bush and he doesn't speak for him. Bush was not only against nation building, he repeatedly called for a new humility in foreign affairs, lambasting our involvement with nation building as arrogant. And now he says 9/11. It's fantastic. It works for everything.

And please spare the superior tone. I have always been sure where I stand on the war as have many others. And many have changed their minds as new things occurred. Is it okay for us unfortunate liberals to do that from time to time or only for the president? And I guess you're keeping up with every argument from every liberal commentator, no? If not, kindly spare the superior tone.

 

Follow the following link to Jon Stewart's "The Daily Show" video clips and download the President Bush vs Governer Bush debate.

http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/videos.jhtml

Some dam funny stuff

 

The title of the post says "conservatives" so I don't think he meant Bush. And Bush clearly supports nation- building now. I suppose he could come out and say "I was wrong" but it's not gonna happen. He's a politician.

I'm still not sure if most Democrats support the war. The most I can infer is "We support the war, but we don't support the way Bush did it" or something along those lines.

 

"Nation building", "balanced budgets", "states rights" , "strict constructionism of legal precedents", all concepts to be wieleded as ideologicla weapons and abandoned whenever they interfere with their short term goals of being relected and making money for their friends off government spending or tax breaks for their wealthy contributors.

 

CC...( I will call you CC, or Caped Crusader, for short, batman, as opposed to your other, more suggestive abbreviations.)

re: 9-11...

If I had more time and energy, I would make a song called 9-11, modelled after Shaggy's " Wasn't Me"...As you seem to be in fine fettle, would you like to give it a go?

 

MacB: I don't mind BJ or BM, just think it's funny it wound up that way. CC's fine too. Whatever you like.

I am in exceptionally poor fettle after last night's debauchery and also I gotta run. You do it. It'll be better anyway.

Oh, and I'm sorry for your loss.

 

I almost posted that. That was so funny.

 

9/11

 

I don't think thousands of innocent American's being murdered is a wonderful gift at all.

 

There is no mea culpa necessary, despite what George Will has to say.

During the last Presidential election, Bush did say that he was against "nation building", but he was talking about President Clinton's misuse of our troops in Somalia and Haiti.

Iraq was aiding Al Queda, and unlike Somalia and Haiti, Iraq was an immediate and direct threat to the United States.

......BIG DIFFERENCE. We have a right to defend ourselves, and our continued safety depends partly on a stable democratic government in Iraq.