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Did Bush pass up Zarqawi three times to help sell war?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, May 14, 2004.

  1. Batman Jones

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    This article's about more than that, but that's the most disturbing thing about it.

    http://slate.msn.com/id/2100549/

    The Buck Stops … Where?
    Stop blaming your henchmen, Mr. President.
    By Fred Kaplan
    Posted Friday, May 14, 2004, at 2:41 PM PT

    And so it seems I, too, have misunderestimated the president. This past Wednesday, I wrote a column holding George W. Bush responsible for our recent disasters—the torture at Abu Ghraib and the whole plethora of strategic errors in Iraq. My main argument was that Bush has placed too much trust, for far too long, in the judgment of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, despite his ceaseless string of bad judgments.

    However, two news stories that have since come to my attention—one that appeared on the same day, the other more than two months ago—suggest not merely that Bush is guilty of "failing to recognize failure" (as my headline put it) but that he is directly culpable for the sins in question, no less so than his properly beleaguered defense chief.

    The first story, written by Mark Matthews in the May 12 Baltimore Sun, quotes Secretary of State Colin Powell—on the record—as saying Bush knew about the International Committee of the Red Cross reports that were filed many months ago about the savagery at the prison. Powell is quoted as saying:

    We kept the president informed of the concerns that were raised by the ICRC and other international organizations as part of my regular briefings of the president, and advised him that we had to follow these issues, and when we got notes sent to us or reports sent to us … we had to respond to them.

    Powell adds that he, Rumsfeld, and Condoleezza Rice kept Bush "fully informed of the concerns that were being expressed, not in specific details but in general terms." (Thanks to Joshua Micah Marshall, whose blog alerted me to the Sun story.)

    So much for Rumsfeld's protective claim, at last week's hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee, that he had failed to bring the matter to the president's attention. No wonder Bush, in turn, rode out to the Pentagon and praised his servant-secretary for doing a "superb" job.

    It's amazing, by the way, how Colin Powell seems to have scuttled his good-soldier routine altogether, criticizing his president at first quasi-anonymously (through Bob Woodward's new book), then through close aides (Wil Hylton's GQ article), and now straight up in the Baltimore Sun. One wonders when he'll go all the way and start making campaign appearances for John Kerry.

    The second news story that heaves more burdens on the president comes from an NBC News broadcast by Jim Miklaszewski on March 2. Apparently, Bush had three opportunities, long before the war, to destroy a terrorist camp in northern Iraq run by Abu Musab Zarqawi, the al-Qaida associate who recently cut off the head of Nicholas Berg. But the White House decided not to carry out the attack because, as the story puts it:


    [T]he administration feared [that] destroying the terrorist camp in Iraq could undercut its case for war against Saddam.


    The implications of this are more shocking, in their way, than the news from Abu Ghraib. Bush promoted the invasion of Iraq as a vital battle in the war on terrorism, a continuation of our response to 9/11. Here was a chance to wipe out a high-ranking terrorist. And Bush didn't take advantage of it because doing so might also wipe out a rationale for invasion.

    The story gets worse in its details. As far back as June 2002, U.S. intelligence reported that Zarqawi had set up a weapons lab at Kirma in northern Iraq that was capable of producing ricin and cyanide. The Pentagon drew up an attack plan involving cruise missiles and smart bombs. The White House turned it down. In October 2002, intelligence reported that Zarqawi was preparing to use his bio-weapons in Europe. The Pentagon drew up another attack plan. The White House again demurred. In January 2003, police in London arrested terrorist suspects connected to the camp. The Pentagon devised another attack plan. Again, the White House killed the plan, not Zarqawi.

    When the war finally started in March, the camp was attacked early on. But by that time, Zarqawi and his followers had departed.

    This camp was in the Kurdish enclave of Iraq. The U.S. military had been mounting airstrikes against various targets throughout Iraq—mainly air-defense sites—for the previous few years. It would not have been a major escalation to destroy this camp, especially after the war against al-Qaida in Afghanistan. The Kurds, whose autonomy had been shielded by U.S. air power since the end of the 1991 war, wouldn't have minded and could even have helped.

    But the problem, from Bush's perspective, was that this was the only tangible evidence of terrorists in Iraq. Colin Powell even showed the location of the camp on a map during his famous Feb. 5 briefing at the U.N. Security Council. The camp was in an area of Iraq that Saddam didn't control. But never mind, it was something. To wipe it out ahead of time might lead some people—in Congress, the United Nations, and the American public—to conclude that Saddam's links to terrorists were finished, that maybe the war wasn't necessary. So Bush let it be.

    In the two years since the Pentagon's first attack plan, Zarqawi has been linked not just to Berg's execution but, according to NBC, 700 other killings in Iraq. If Bush had carried out that attack back in June 2002, the killings might not have happened. More: The case for war (as the White House feared) might not have seemed so compelling. Indeed, the war itself might not have happened.

    One ambiguity does remain. The NBC story reported that "the White House" declined to carry out the airstrikes. Who was "the White House"? If it wasn't George W. Bush—if it was, say, Dick Cheney—then we crash into a very different conclusion: not that Bush was directly culpable, but that he was more out of touch than his most cynical critics have imagined. It's a tossup which is more disturbing: a president who passes up the chance to kill a top-level enemy in the war on terrorism for the sake of pursuing a reckless diversion in Iraq—or a president who leaves a government's most profound decision, the choice of war or peace, to his aides.
     
  2. Deckard

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    This is on the level? If it is, wow! And how criminally stupid. Why hasn't it gotten any traction? Zarqawi is all over the news now, so maybe it will, assuming it's true.
     
  3. Jeff Gundy

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    Clinton had numerous chances to take out Bin Laden in the late 90's.
     
  4. Batman Jones

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    And he should have done it. But nobody ever accused him of passing up chances to hit Bin Laden in order to justify a war. This isn't about passing up a chance to get a terrorist -- it's about the cynical reasons for it. Do you get what this article is saying? It's saying Bush decided not to take out Zargawi so he could say we have to go to war to take out Zargawi. This is probably the most damning accusation about the now much maligned case for war.
     
  5. giddyup

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    The best commentary here may be Bush's own line: "I'm tired of us swatting at flies."
     
  6. Batman Jones

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    This fly sawed off the head of a US citizen. We had three chances to kill him before he did it. I'm not a fan of the we coulda stopped 9/11 theories, but it's a natural fact that George Bush could have killed Zargawi before he sawed off an American's head and he chose not to. I doubt the Berg family (or ANYONE who watched the beheading video) would agree with your characterization of Zargawi as a fly.
     
  7. giddyup

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    Your intonation is almost as if you think that GWB knew that Zargawi was going to saw the head off of poor Nick Berg... :eek:

    I know you don't want to go here, but imagine all the Nick Berg's alive today if Clinton had gotten bin Laden.

    Newsflash: hindsight is very sharp.
     
  8. Batman Jones

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    Further Bush himself didn't regard Zargawi as a fly. The allegation is that he left him there to justify the war, signifying that he thought he was threat worth going to war for but not worth hitting, since it would have screwed up the case for war. Nobody has offered a reason we didn't hit him and I'm not surprised. If this allegation is true, Bush is personally responsible for Nick Berg's beheading.
     
  9. Batman Jones

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    Although I'm not a Clinton fan and don't justify his actions, he NEVER passed up a chance to kill a guy in order to justify a war based on killing that SAME guy. I can't even believe you can't understand the difference. If this is true it beats the hell out of every single scandal that's driven Bush's numbers into the basement and you still refuse to understand what's remarkable about it.

    This isn't about hindsight. Bush KNEW Zargawi was a threat. He allegedly sought to PRESERVE the threat in order to justify the war instead of taking out a person he knew to be a threat to American interests. He KNEW this guy wanted to kill Americans and he let him live so he could say, "Look! That guy wants to kill Americans!"
     
  10. Deckard

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    This still isn't getting any traction in the press. Hard to believe.
    Now the head of the Iraqi Governing Council has been blown to bits by a suicide car bomb in a "secure" part of Baghdad. Is anyone going to want to head a government there set up by us? And get this... the prime suspect, from what I've heard of the speculation on CNN, anyway, is Zarqawi.
     
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  11. rimrocker

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    Here's the original article from March...

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    Avoiding attacking suspected terrorist mastermind
    Abu Musab Zarqawi blamed for more than 700 killings in Iraq
    By Jim Miklaszewski
    Correspondent
    NBC News
    Updated: 7:14 p.m. ET March 02, 2004

    With Tuesday’s attacks, Abu Musab Zarqawi, a Jordanian militant with ties to al-Qaida, is now blamed for more than 700 terrorist killings in Iraq.

    But NBC News has learned that long before the war the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself — but never pulled the trigger.

    In June 2002, U.S. officials say intelligence had revealed that Zarqawi and members of al-Qaida had set up a weapons lab at Kirma, in northern Iraq, producing deadly ricin and cyanide.

    The Pentagon quickly drafted plans to attack the camp with cruise missiles and airstrikes and sent it to the White House, where, according to U.S. government sources, the plan was debated to death in the National Security Council.

    “Here we had targets, we had opportunities, we had a country willing to support casualties, or risk casualties after 9/11 and we still didn’t do it,” said Michael O’Hanlon, military analyst with the Brookings Institution.

    Four months later, intelligence showed Zarqawi was planning to use ricin in terrorist attacks in Europe.

    The Pentagon drew up a second strike plan, and the White House again killed it. By then the administration had set its course for war with Iraq.

    “People were more obsessed with developing the coalition to overthrow Saddam than to execute the president’s policy of preemption against terrorists,” according to terrorism expert and former National Security Council member Roger Cressey.

    In January 2003, the threat turned real. Police in London arrested six terror suspects and discovered a ricin lab connected to the camp in Iraq.

    The Pentagon drew up still another attack plan, and for the third time, the National Security Council killed it.

    Military officials insist their case for attacking Zarqawi’s operation was airtight, but the administration feared destroying the terrorist camp in Iraq could undercut its case for war against Saddam.

    The United States did attack the camp at Kirma at the beginning of the war, but it was too late — Zarqawi and many of his followers were gone. “Here’s a case where they waited, they waited too long and now we’re suffering as a result inside Iraq,” Cressey added.

    And despite the Bush administration’s tough talk about hitting the terrorists before they strike, Zarqawi’s killing streak continues today.
     
  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Wait a minute, wait a minute !!!


    I thought the war on Iraq had NOTHING to do with fighting terrorists, yet....there was an Al-queda associated camp in Northern Iraq...BEFORE the war.


    So....then.....this war IS about fighting terrorism after all.


    Ok, check...got it now.

    Thx.

    DD
     
  13. SamFisher

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    No he didn't. I know it's an article of faith in the right wing media, but it's not true. (cue the Richard Miniter jabbering about unverified rumors of phantom Sudanese "offers")
     
  14. GladiatoRowdy

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    Once again for those who haven't been paying attention.

    This camp was in the northern part of Iraq which Saddam did not have under his control. Saddam and his cronies didn't venture to this part of Iraq because they would have been killed themselves. They couldn't bomb it either, due to the no-fly and no-fire zones. The only ones in control of this areaa was us as we patrolled said no-fly zones.
     
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    just to state the obvious, the news is the pentagon drew up plans, and the NRC declined to proceed. everything else, including the reasons for the NRC turning down the plan, is conjecture on the part of the reporter. his supposition that the NRC turned it down so it could be used as rationale for war is as unfounded as my positing "hmmm, couldn't have been dick clarke that turned them down now, could it?"
     
  16. rimrocker

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    If the article is wrong in stating why the missions were turned down, why hasn't the NSC offered another explanation?
     
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    I don't know if it's this story in particular, or all the news lately, but I'm feeling kind of depressed, and my heart isn't really into debating stuff right now. I will just say that it's a horrible to let him go when he could have been stopped, in order to have a 'reason' to go to war.

    I would think that anyone in their right mind would be looking for every possible reason not to go to war.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    I realize that, but they WERE in Iraq......

    DD
     
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    The terrorists who hijaked the jets did so from America...

    Guess America was behind it.



    DD, you're not this sophomoric. Stop pretending.
     
  20. rimrocker

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    Didn't we beat this horse in another thread?
     

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